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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Hey, everyone! We're going to get started in just a second,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: All right. It looks like we have a quorum.

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Heather Shuster: Oh,

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Heather Shuster: um! I see John is listed as John, participating this evening. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you, John.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, So does that mean we are myself, Matt, Leslie and John as our participants

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Heather Shuster: any reason not to get started.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Nope should be good to go.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Good evening and welcome to the October. Two thousand and twenty-two to Cabb County Historic Preservation Commission meeting. We are part of the Decad County government appointed by the Board of Commissioners. We represent properties in historic districts and historic properties created by the Board of Commissioners in unincorporated Decab County one.

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Heather Shuster: There are currently two historic districts. Through it hills and soapstone ridge properties. In these districts must obtain a certificate of appropriateness before doing any exterior work.

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Heather Shuster: The applications we review tonight will be presented as follows: First, we will present applications for the consent agenda,

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Heather Shuster: If any commission, member or attendee wishes to move an item to the regular agenda, they are welcome to make that request. We will then vote on consent agenda items.

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Heather Shuster: Items on the regular agenda will have their applications presented. Then the applicant and others can speak in support of the application for up to five minutes. Opposition will then be able to present, for up to five minutes.

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Heather Shuster: The Commission may then ask questions, and we'll follow with a motion. Discussions can continue following the motion once a second on a motion has been stated, the Commission will vote. All applications will have a decision made tonight. Those can be approval, denial or deferral. After the meeting a staff member will email applicants documentation of one hundred

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Heather Shuster: approval, denial, or deferral

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Heather Shuster: in attendance. This evening we have representatives from the county. Rachel Bragg and Daniel Mccisick and the Board members are myself. Heather Schuster, Matt Stoddard, Leslie Spencer, and John Hart, with that we will go to items on the consent agenda.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Alright,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Item: a

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: one thousand six hundred and ninety-three Dyson and drive

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: um applicants proposing modification to previously approve layout design of concrete Pathways

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: application B. Twenty, one, seventy-two West Pont de Leon Avenue applicant is proposing modification to previously approved garage and house. The application is only addressing a location change of the home and garage

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: application, c. Nine hundred and thirty-four Well, water road

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: applicant is proposing modification to a previously approved garage

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: application D. Nine O. Five Barton Woods road

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: applicant is proposing window and door replacement side light modification, and porch light replacement

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: application. E. One thousand three hundred and eighty-eight cornell road

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: applicant is is looking for a re-approval of the co that was issued in April of two thousand and nineteen

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The application was to enclose the porch, construct a new deck, rail and stair,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and that concludes our consent applications.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you, Danielle. Do we have any Board members or neighbors who wish to request an item be moved to the regular agenda.

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Heather Shuster: All right. If there are no requests the Board members can make a motion.

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Heather Shuster: They need a minute to look things over. That's fine, but that'll be our next step

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Matt Stoddard: uh this Matt Stoddard. I'll make a motion to approve items A, B, C, D. And E. As it has not been shown that they would have a substantial adverse effect on the community.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Matt. Do we have a second? My second.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Leslie. We'll take that to a vote, John

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Heather Shuster: Leslie. Yes, Matt and I also vote Yes. Items A through E on the consent agenda are approved. If anyone is in attendance. Your

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Heather Shuster: time is up. Uh those items are approved. You'll hear from either Rachel or Rachel or Danielle, and thank you for your applications. We appreciate. It.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you on to the regular agenda. Now,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: all right.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Application F. On the regular agenda is one thousand three hundred and ninety-two North Dakota road.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: This application was deferred during the September meeting to allow the applicant time to revise their project. Per Hpc. Comments. The applicant is proposing to demolish the breakfast room, porch, wood, ramp, and concrete walkway.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're looking to add a rear addition. New porch, You patio new stone terrace ramp and a new concrete walk.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um, They're also proposing to add new vegetation.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The project modifications since the last meeting include

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: um. The exterior cladding of the family room addition and covered port tradition is being changed from stucco to vertical shipwap siding

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The windows on the right elevation of the family room. Addition have been changed from nine light fixed to eight. Over one double hung.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The new windows are at a smaller scale, and the sales are now aligned with the position of the sail sales on the south elevation of the primary structure.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The smaller opening on the right elevation of the covered porch has been modified to have a metal rail system installed below.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The stucco veneer foundation of the stairs leading from the covered porch to the patio has been changed to granite. Veneer

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Parapets have been modified to be horizontal concrete shiplap with metal caps,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the window on the left elevation, the windows on the left Elevation um are being modified to include a horizontal board panel below.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The cases of the window and panel will extend to the granite veneer foundation. On the addition,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the proposed modifications made to the windows, and the exterior materials for this project appear to meet the guidelines for architectural elements used for new construction. Staff is recommending approval.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: The applicant like to speak on behalf of the project.

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jeffvonhoene2: No, I believe we've complied with all your wishes.

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Heather Shuster: Yeah, definitely have made a lot of changes based on the last conversation. We appreciate that.

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Heather Shuster: Um, All right, we'll open it up. Then. Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for against this application?

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And if you're on the phone. Um. You can press Star six or star nine.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Rachel.

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Heather Shuster: All right. So we don't have any neighbors that wish to speak Um

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Heather Shuster: Commission members feel free to ask questions, or if anyone wishes to make a motion, we can entertain that

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leslie spencer: I make a motion to approve um

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leslie spencer: one thousand three hundred and ninety-two North Dakota road, as it seems not to have an adverse effect on the property. Um, as the applicants have done substantial

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leslie spencer: work to get fed it fit into what we asked for.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you, Leslie.

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Heather Shuster: Do we have a second?

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Matt Stoddard: I second it?

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Matt. We'll take this one to vote, John.

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Jon Hart: Yes,

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Heather Shuster: Leslie, and I also vote. Yes, thank you very much for the modifications you guys clearly

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Heather Shuster: really engaged with us, and follow through on finding a way to make it work with the guidelines. We appreciate that

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so bye.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: All right. Application G. Eighteen ninety-five and for tariffs

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: applicant is proposing serving model and expand the house, modify the garage, add tariffs, and add new landscaping.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The scope of work includes the addition of a second story. We're also looking to steep in the pitch of the new gable roof and raise the ridge line.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're looking to extend the rear of the house out fifteen feet to expand first floor living area.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: This portion of the house will have a rear facing gable and different cladding the than the original house.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um! They're looking to open up an enclosed porch,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: add a terrace across the top facade to tie front door and porch together.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The new brick being used for the terrace will be matched to the existing when possible, and painted a color consistent with the rest of the house.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're gonna add a shed dormer to the front elevation in an eyebrow. Dormer.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're looking to add a shed roof car, port storage, closet, and potting bench to the detached one car garage.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The new roof will be clad in asphalt, single shingles, all of them, all of the other materials, will match the existing garage.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is proposing to add a patio flagstone, terrace, and pathways in the rear yard.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're looking to remove existing stacked, retaining walls and concrete slab in your in rear yard,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and they will be looking to construct new retaining walls that would be approximately three feet

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: in height around the rear of the cardboard.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They'd be looking to add new landscaping to both the front and rear yard. Landscaping would include the tree room uh, would include tree removal and replacement, as well as shrub plantings,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and a new lawn area is being proposed,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: but also like to note that for the applicant the windows on the original structure are to either be repaired or replaced with similar

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: um, and the applicant has also um submitted updated documentation as of today. Um, That documentation removes the proposed parking pad at the front of the house. Um, and they've also submitted A roof Comparison.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A review

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The steep roof pitch proposed by the applicant does not meet the guideline fourteen for the Emory grow character area

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: per the guideline. All new construction should be compatible with surrounding minimal traditional housing that has low to moderate roof pitches. The topography of the area shows that the house sits approximately ten feet higher than the street. So staff is concerned

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: that the overall height of the house with the steep roof pitch would be exaggerated when doing the house on what's neighboring properties?

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Staff is recommending denial of deferral on this application.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you. The applicant here, and can they speak on behalf of the project.

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Rich Brasher: Yes, that's me rich brasher.

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Rich Brasher: And um what I had submitted today was um yeah, the the parking pad in front that was on a wish list um,

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Rich Brasher: with the addition of the car port and the rear, additional parking can be uh handled there. Um! One of the things I sent to Danielle today. I don't know if she could pull it up, or I can share my screen. I have it queued up. Is um. I thought that the architect was proposing a twelve and twelve pitch on the roof. The existing is six and twelve,

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Rich Brasher: which is much flatter than my adjacent neighbors. Um! The house immediately to the east

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Rich Brasher: is steeper than twelve and twelve uh. The house immediately to the west is ten and twelve, and then the house, two doors down to the west is twelve and twelve, so I would want to propose it to be comparable to what the neighbors are.

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Okay, let's see.

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Rich Brasher: So um.

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Rich Brasher: Can you see my screen?

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Okay, let's see. Uh:

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correct for this share screen.

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Rich Brasher: Now,

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Rich Brasher: okay uh subject property. This is the left side uh of my house, so you can see It's got the six and twelve pitch uh. This is the neighboring house to the east uh which has the much steeper pitch steeper than twelve and twelve

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Rich Brasher: uh. This is the house immediately to the west, which is the ten and twelve pitch, and then this is the house beyond the one to the West that has the twelve and twelve pitch.

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Rich Brasher: And so I was suggesting that instead of uh, it looked like it was fourteen and twelve was being proposed, and so if I were to flatten that out um, that would probably work better with this uh shed dormer as well. Uh so

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Rich Brasher: um, I can

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Rich Brasher: drop it down to twelve and twelve or

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Rich Brasher: uh we can do a a three d model, if you like, or we can consider it further uh with a deferral and go back to the architect. Um,

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I'd like to get some feedback from you on that.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Um. Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for or against this application.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Sorry uh Rich. Can you stop sharing your screen?

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Okay, Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: All right. What?

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Heather Shuster: No questions from our Attendees commission members. You are welcome to ask questions or make a motion

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Heather Shuster: um for clarification from staff.

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Heather Shuster: I would understand it to be not just the

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Heather Shuster: pitch of the roof. But the overall scaling is that a concern? My understanding the feedback correctly?

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Yes, you are okay.

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Heather Shuster: Um. And Mr. Brasher. What I mean by that is so.

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Heather Shuster: The pitch of the roof is one thing, but the scale,

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Heather Shuster: the other properties that you showed are all single story that maybe have um

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Heather Shuster: some finished space and an existing attic, but they aren't a two-story house that then has a roof on top of it. So the scale of the property overall is

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Heather Shuster: significantly different from those in the majority of the neighborhood.

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Rich Brasher: Well uh the one two doors down um, you know, as a single story house with a uh, you know I i'm proposing mine to look like the one two doors down

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Matt Stoddard: right, but the overall scale of it is larger because

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Matt Stoddard: of the amount of spaces being added. I'm: Sorry. Yeah, I I pull them up on Google Maps while we talk when we have these orientation issues. So if you're staring at the front of your house, are you saying two doors to the right or two doors to the left, two doors to the right. Okay?

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Matt Stoddard: So that looks to me like a one and a half story. Is that fair? They've got windows coming out from the top of their second story. Is that right? And that's what I would be proposing. Okay.

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Rich Brasher: So I don't understand your comment about two stories.

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Heather Shuster: So when you look at the side view of the side elevations. It shows that the scale of your house is such the scale of the proposed drawings that you're able to achieve a second story that then has over it versus

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Heather Shuster: um. A story and a half essentially the only place that you have. Dormers are the only place you have. Windows are within dormers, and that's not the case with your addition, like on the side and going out the back. It's not in dormers. It's in that second level of the home

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Rich Brasher: as well as the sides.

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Rich Brasher: So there are numerous homes in this neighborhood that have much more substantial uh full two story additions to the rear than what mind uh is proposing.

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Matt Stoddard: i'll give you my take on it, and i'll say i'm not a contractor

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Matt Stoddard: uh heather is so she can speak with the right lingo. But so we have this design manual. We're trying to make sure you hit it.

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Matt Stoddard: I don't know if you've read it. It's online. But

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Matt Stoddard: W. What you're proposing seems to have a few problems with like the size of your structure. So if you look at that street, it looks like you could almost draw a straight line across everybody's front porch. They're all about the same place,

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Matt Stoddard: and your proposal is a new structure in front of the existing structure. Right? Well, that's what it seems to say. Just to make sure I got this right There's the tariffs that's out of the cross. Yeah, you have a new patio that goes in front, Right? Correct. So how far out does that come

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uh ten feet?

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Matt Stoddard: Don't love that? Not saying that's an absolute. No, but I don't. I don't love that because everyone else seems like they're a little bit in line. The bigger problem is, in my view is the one that heather's talking about. So i'm not saying that I could never get to a point where you could have an upstairs.

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Matt Stoddard: Maybe I can. But you're already on a hill above the street, and everyone else looks like they have either a one-story house or like a one and a half Story House.

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Matt Stoddard: Now I get what you're saying. Yours is going to be a one and a half story house. Is that right?

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Rich Brasher: With two stories on the rear

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Heather Shuster: when you can achieve two stories on the rear. It's a two story house.

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Rich Brasher: Well, I like, I said, I can show you many other examples in here that either have a large shed dormer to the rear, or a full second story to the rear um

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Rich Brasher: projecting wings to the rear, much more substantial than what i'm proposing.

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Rich Brasher: I wanted to keep it basically

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Rich Brasher: a box. Um, you know, similar to what it exists now and not have ends and outs and and wings projecting to the rear.

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Heather Shuster: We often see that achieved without raising the ridge as much as you are raising the ridge on this house.

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Heather Shuster: I think if you were raising it significantly less, you would be more in line with the scaling goals of the guidelines.

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Rich Brasher: Okay, so

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Rich Brasher: um, is it the pitch or the ridge line or both.

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Heather Shuster: Um,

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Heather Shuster: It starts with the ridge line. So it starts with your overall height and then, finding the

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Heather Shuster: attractive and compatible with your space needs pitch.

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Rich Brasher: Okay, because with the ridge line,

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Rich Brasher: if I'm standing up in the attic, i'm six feet tall and there's like half a foot between the top of my head, and the peak uh the ridge inside the added. I certainly understand that the current Ridge line is insufficient to be able to add a second story, but you you've raised it

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Heather Shuster: significantly higher than it exists today. Um! And in a manner that

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Heather Shuster: competes with the character of your neighborhood, and That's where the guidelines provide feedback.

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Rich Brasher: Yeah, I um.

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Rich Brasher: If you saw on what I shared it had a comparison of the existing pitch versus what's proposed, And uh, you know that the gables over the existing and the proposed It's uh, was it twenty, twenty, two feet deep

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Rich Brasher: uh so they're consistent. It's just it's steeper so um

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Rich Brasher: I could keep the pitch the same, and just move the ridge line further back. But uh,

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Matt Stoddard: i'm not sure how that would work. My view would be. I'm gonna have a hard time coming coming on board with a structure that's thirty-one feet eight inches high and that's what you've got right now

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Matt Stoddard: on your proposed, and the reason is, if you look at the roof lines of everyone else's house, I don't not their pitch, but just how high the roof is. Your seems to already be one of the tallest. Now, part of That's because you're on a hill,

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Matt Stoddard: but it looks like you're sort of at the top and out everybody, and then you want to add a bunch more.

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Rich Brasher: Well, no, Again the house two doors down. It would be comparable to what's there?

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Rich Brasher: So uh, you know I I don't know If you could look at the side of that. I'd send the image that I sent. Uh, but

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Matt Stoddard: um, i'm not sure. I I mean i'm looking at it. I don't know if it was that greenish color trail

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Matt Stoddard: it's got to that. Looks like it has an almost like a very flat roof,

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Rich Brasher: and then they've got two dormers sticking out of it.

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Matt Stoddard: I'll take a look at your picture.

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Rich Brasher: You let me share it again.

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Matt Stoddard: Uh, I believe everything you said. We haven't the ability to look at, so I can just look at there. I sent out separately to Danielle earlier today after I got the Stafford we get those two.

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Rich Brasher: I think that the the two d drawing is misleading also, because

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Rich Brasher: you know, looking at it from ten feet lower, at street level it's not going to appear as high.

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Rich Brasher: And uh the house next door um has the steeper pitch. Uh course it's gable uh it's not as deep as mine from front to back,

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Rich Brasher: and uh, you know I I can show you all the examples in the neighborhood of Uh the large editions that have done been done to the rear.

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Matt Stoddard: I don't see too many large additions on your street, because you can't see what's behind them.

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Heather Shuster: Yeah, the character is judged by what's visible from the street first, And so that's why many of these houses will have additions going towards the back

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Heather Shuster: that can be quite sizable. Um! But it allows the street character to be maintained, and

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Heather Shuster: the design that you have proposed really conflicts with the guidelines as they are when you are working on this design, did you have a chance to sit down with staff and kind of talk through.

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Rich Brasher: I was relying on my architect to do that.

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Heather Shuster: I think that's

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Heather Shuster: that's the missing link here. Um staff can really help you all with finding that balance being able to achieve the space that you want for your home, but also keep to the character guidelines that that we're held to. You know this isn't personal opinion of what we like and don't like.

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Heather Shuster: There are guidelines drafted, and we're doing our best to uphold those um. But staff does a really good job of helping homeowners. It's everyone's effort to help you achieve your goals with your home, but to also maintain the neighborhood. Um,

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Heather Shuster: I really think that's your next best step, the recommendation.

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Heather Shuster: This is me speaking, not the Commission just yet. We will all make a vote would be to uh request a deferral, so that you can have that chance to sit down with staff and make some provisions. That sound. Okay, Okay, um. We'll go to a vote, then on request for deferral On

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Heather Shuster: what is our item? Item? G uh motion for request for deferral of item. G. Can I have a second, please.

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leslie spencer: Second,

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Leslie. We'll put that to vote, John.

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Jon Hart: I'll say yes, and that the only example on the street that I see that's starting to get to what the application poses

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Jon Hart: is one thousand eight hundred and eighty-one

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Jon Hart: Edinburgh Terrace,

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Jon Hart: that when you can clearly see the old brick and the new brick, and how they

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Jon Hart: There's a There's a precedent for for a similar expansion.

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Jon Hart: I at that address. Everything else doesn't have the precedent that you're looking for. To do what you're trying to do.

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Rich Brasher: I thought it might be a perceived as a benefit that I was opening up the the enclosed porch um to repurpose it to its original and town

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Rich Brasher: as opposed to most everything in here as in closed porches.

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Heather Shuster: I I do want to complete the

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Heather Shuster: um. So John is A. Yes, Leslie. Yes,

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Matt Stoddard: yes, I vote to defer,

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Heather Shuster: and I also vote for deferral. Um, John, thank you for bringing that to the attention of the homeowner. Um! That is part of the conversation you can have with Staff. Here's this example: How do I?

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Heather Shuster: How am I able to also be part of what made this design acceptable?

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Rich Brasher: All right. Well, thank you all.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you. We appreciate it

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Heather Shuster: all right. We'll move on to the next item on the agenda

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: alright, application. H twelve, seventy-eight still would drive. Applicant is proposing to build a garage, replace deck, repair windowsills, reconstruct the porch and brick steps on the front elevation and replace some exterior trim.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um The pre-existing garage on a property was destroyed from tree damage. Um. So the existing concrete pad from that garage will be demolished and replace.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is proposing a twenty foot by twenty foot one story garage with gable roof.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The garage will be clad in hardy siding, and have as fault singles to match, roof on to match the roof. On the residence.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The garage will have two, six over one windows on the right, and rear elevation, and a new curve will be installed along the side of the driveway

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: At the basement level of the house. The rear deck will be demolished and replaced. The door leading from the deck to the finished family room will be replaced, and the concrete slab on the right elevation will be demolished and replaced to function as a patio.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The brick steps and low walls on the front elevation we demolished and rebuilt to code.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is also proposing to paint the stucco gable ends, repair brick sales and repair mortar on various areas of the facade

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Staff is recommending um denial for painting the stucco. It should be avoided. Per guideline six point one.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The remaining proposed changes to not appear to have a substantial adverse effect on the district and staff is recommending a

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you, Daniel.

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Heather Shuster: Do we have any images of the stucco?

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: I do not. But I can pull it up on

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Google.

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Jon Hart: Yeah, it just It's hard to tell. It looks like it's a very minor part of the property,

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Jon Hart: and that the ship on painting that stucco sailed a long time ago.

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Jon Hart: This house has been probably painted every five to ten years for a very long time,

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Jon Hart: and I think denying painting now I mean it was nice of them to ask,

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Jon Hart: but if they wouldn't have put that in the application, we would have never known the difference if they painted all the white, all the trim white, the stock, the

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Jon Hart: a matching color.

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Heather Shuster: Yeah, it's for sure. Been paying. Okay, let's go ahead and let the homeowner or applicant speak, though. Do we have the applicant in attendance. Yes, I'm. Here.

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Elaìne Guarino: Hello! Please share a little bit about your project with us. Yes, we um. He is correct. These This house has already been painted on the stucco. Uh, we're all we're doing is just matching as closely as possible to the color that's already there on the colors that we sent you.

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Elaìne Guarino: So. Um. So that is exactly correct. We're not. We're not adding anything. We're just trying to re to freshen it up to match everything to make everything look cohesive. Keep it looking good like it already does, just

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Elaìne Guarino: making it nicer. And you guys have already hit all the high points on everything else. Now, if the homeowner would like to say something they they're on the call to or on the zoom.

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D/D Barnicoat: Zuber. Yeah, i'll definitely say something. Um, I just wanted to say Um, I appreciate the Historic Preservation Commission, taking the time to take a look at our application, and uh the improvements that we're looking to do to our home

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D/D Barnicoat: uh really is taking the property back to its original configuration of one thousand nine hundred and twenty-four and um we're not trying to add anything to it, and just really, you know, bring back this old house to its formal forward glory when it was brand new.

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D/D Barnicoat: Uh, and if you have any additional questions, we're happy to answer them.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Heather Shuster: Okay, Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for against this application.

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Heather Shuster: All right, Commission members. I can ask any questions, or if anyone wishes to make a motion

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Jon Hart: uh, I move to approve the application uh as proposed, including painting the stucco

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Jon Hart: eves, uh, or whatever whatever our term is, for the

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Jon Hart: gable ends approving this painting of the gable hands.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you, John. Do we have a second?

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Heather Shuster: Yes, sorry.

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Heather Shuster: All right. Moving on to our next item

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: alright, application I thirteen, fifty-four, the by way, um application, addresses erosion repair, and replanting along the stream. Buffer, as well as landscaping.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant, is proposing a stream as stream bake restoration to the creek that runs along the front of the property.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Deterioration of the stream has led to concern about the structural integrity of the house. Scope of work for the Restoration would include a riperian vegetation buffer with native stages, grass and shrubs, and approved mulching techniques

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: to comply with the guidelines. Native rock will be used for erosion, control and native plants will be used for the Restoration planting process.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um staff is moving to. Uh. Sorry uh. The proposed changes did not appear to have a substantial adverse effect on the district. Um. The application appears to meet the guidelines, and staff recommends approval.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Is the applicant here, and would they wish to speak on behalf of the project.

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Charles Aubry: Yeah, I'm here. Thank you guys very much. Um.

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Charles Aubry: No, thanks for taking a look at this for me. Uh: I have our

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Charles Aubry: engineering consultant that we've hired um that true love here tonight, as well to kind of give a little bit more of an overview of everything, and as well as our landscape architect, Peter Froley, who did the landscaping design for the ripe hearing and buffer. If anybody has any questions in regards to the plantings that are going to occur or

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Charles Aubry: could occur. Um! So i'm just going to turn it over to Zack to kind of give everyone a a brief outline and go from there.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you.

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ztruelove: I'll try to make this brief. There's a lot to be said about stream restoration that will probably bore everybody on this this call. But um, basically our company practices natural channels On Essentially, we find a reference condition

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ztruelove: in the in a watershed. That, uh, is, that gives us a a stable channel form a stable channel form that we try to mimic,

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ztruelove: and that's what we're doing here. Um! We are implementing bank full benches uh to uh uh slow flows as there. There's an interaction between the flow on on a a bank full bench or a flood prone area uh between that flow, and the channel that that provides a inherent stability um

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ztruelove: and removes uh reduces uh shear off of the banks and reduces the uh erosion there within the urban stream. We are. We are doing the best we can to work around the constraints and address the concerns of the client.

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ztruelove: Um, but, uh, For the most part the intent is to return this to a natural or a stable channel forum uh uh to to allow for um a proof situation for for Mr. Aubrey here.

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ztruelove: Um! I'll leave the the rest of the time open for questions. Um

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ztruelove: for uh, Charles, if you'd like to say something else.

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Charles Aubry: Nope, I will get. I think Zach pretty much is a nail on the he. He's the expert in this. Not me. So

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Heather Shuster: alright, thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for against this application.

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Hamish Caldwell: Yeah, my name's Amish called. Well, I'd like to speak.

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Heather Shuster: Please go ahead.

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Hamish Caldwell: Great thanks,

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Hamish Caldwell: My wife and I have our home on the downstream of butting property, and shared driveway with the subject. In the Oakdale Common subdivision

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Hamish Caldwell: the proposal does have a substantial adverse impact on the district, by not adequately repairing damage done to the landscape by the illegal removal of trees in December, two thousand and twenty

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Hamish Caldwell: for all the good engineering efforts from Zach and his team. It still violates historic guidelines, sections, including five point, three, seven, eight point, two, and nine point seven.

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Hamish Caldwell: The application refers to a vegetative plan,

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Hamish Caldwell: a planting plan to be provided by others, but those documents are not provided.

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Hamish Caldwell: It also emits confirmation that the water management design will have no negative impact on a butting or other properties.

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Hamish Caldwell: Olmsted's legacy and Druids Hills is that landscape and tree canopy are the define kind of defined and unify the character of the historic district.

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Hamish Caldwell: Although the houses on lots are not historic, the guidelines include landscape specific topics and statements from Commissioner Radar have emphasized that landscape is historic.

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Hamish Caldwell: This Co. A. Has only to do with landscape.

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Hamish Caldwell: Keep in mind that for over twenty years there was no erosion problem until a total of twenty-four trees, including twelve large river birch and vegetation, were illegally removed from the south side stream bank in the State stream. Buffer and flood plain.

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Hamish Caldwell: The plan needs to include replacement trees of identical or similar varieties to the original trees and small and region bushes on the stream bank.

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Hamish Caldwell: This will restore the historic character

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Hamish Caldwell: and historic canopy,

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Hamish Caldwell: as well as provide shade and root systems to help hold soils in place.

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Hamish Caldwell: The plan mainly puts holy hedges laid out in long, unnatural, almost straight lines in highly visible places,

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Hamish Caldwell: and it adds even more lawn, requiring frequent boeing and disturbance. Therefore, in the state and county stream Buffer.

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Hamish Caldwell: This plan breaks up the streetscape continuity of historic landscape scale and rhythm with the existing large trees on the abutting subdivision lots with the other homes along this uniquely wooded stretch of the by way,

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Hamish Caldwell: and with the old forest preserved in the low water Conservancy garden visible from the law

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Hamish Caldwell: stated to us by the Alpharetta City arrest and an environmental engineer.

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Hamish Caldwell: No matter how much engineering you throw at something. The only way to guarantee stability and sustainability is to restore ecosystem back to that of the natural system.

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Hamish Caldwell: Approving this plan sends the message.

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Hamish Caldwell: The one way to get around the historic guidelines is to pay a hundred and fifty dollars fine for illegally removing hundreds of years of accumulated tree growth

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Hamish Caldwell: instead of preserving the historic district.

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Hamish Caldwell: Is it the Hpc Mission to facilitate transforming an historic landscape in the heart of Druid Hills into what looks like a front yard you can find in just about any American supper.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Mr. Caldwell. Do we have any other neighbors that wish to speak for against this application?

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Rob Kincheloe: Hello! Can you hear me?

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Rob Kincheloe: Hey? This is Rob Kenchlo for twenty-six Burlington Road, I chair the Dhca land Use and historic Preservation Commission for the Cap county.

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Rob Kincheloe: Um. We've reviewed this as well uh obviously Hamish did a much more artful job of the technical allow. Uh, uh,

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Rob Kincheloe: uh, the tech the technical inspection on this project. But I I would respectfully ask the commission to before defer or deny the application. There's just too much lawns and grasses, and not enough canopy put it being put back.

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Rob Kincheloe: As Hamish mentioned, we lost a lot of caliper and the illegal cutting that occurred, and we just would ask the Commission to look closer at the landscape plan and make sure within the stream bank. There's enough material being put back in the way of large canopy. So appreciate you hearing me out there.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: All right. Um any other neighbors that wish to speak.

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Heather Shuster: All right, Um.

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Heather Shuster: Commission members are welcome to ask questions or make a motion. I do want to ask Staff. Are there

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Heather Shuster: recommendations from the county that are not present in this application that we should be made aware of, based on the prior removal of trees?

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RACHEL BRAGG: Yeah, um i'll i'll go ahead and hop in here. Um! So we did meet with the Land Development Department.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Um, regarding this application and um, there was nothing in this application that was a red light to them. Um! They said it was a yellow light to proceed with caution. Um! And there's some more information that they'll need when it does come to

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RACHEL BRAGG: the land disturbance permit.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Um. But there were no outstanding issues from either the arborist or um, the flood plane manager.

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Heather Shuster: I mean, I know we've seen

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Heather Shuster: this home before.

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Heather Shuster: Um, I just want to make sure there isn't something that we're supposed to ensure gets put back because of what was removed.

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Peter Frawley: Could I interject here?

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Peter Frawley: Um! The on the landscape architect?

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Peter Frawley: I think Mr. Aubrey has uh trees that are going back in if he could elaborate

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Peter Frawley: the canopy that's projected to go into this. This is this is kind of half the plan. This is with the

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Peter Frawley: basically without the canopy portion of the plan.

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Charles Aubry: Um, yeah, I can. Yeah. I was waiting for somebody to ask me to speak up, if need to be. But

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Charles Aubry: uh, obviously this this is You came up about a year or so ago uh,

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Charles Aubry: a little over a year ago, actually a year and a half ago. And um. The coa was approved. I had submitted a tree permit plan that had been reviewed by a lot of people in the county staff, and then report on it. Um! And basically any mitigation that was required. Um

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Charles Aubry: was approved through that tree permitting plan, and half of it has been completed to this point. The other half will be completed. Um, by the middle of November. Um! But what was required to go back will go back by mid November by mid November. I'm: sorry. Um,

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Charles Aubry: Okay. Just I haven't been able to harvest the trees until certain certain periods being like right now. So I just had some put in, and I will continue with the remainder of those in, and that will um

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Charles Aubry: in your backs What was requested to be done and required to be done.

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Heather Shuster: Okay. So that piece is being addressed separately. But our all of those items that are being added part of this application. So we understand what the full

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Heather Shuster: final role will look like

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Charles Aubry: there was a landscape plan provided to you guys by Peter.

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Charles Aubry: The Tree permit plan was separate. But yes, you have the landscape and plan with the native plants. Yes,

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Matt Stoddard: our choice is either yes or no. I don't see any choice that says you have to plant back sixteen over story trees,

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Matt Stoddard: I mean.

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Charles Aubry: Maybe it'd be nice if we could do that. Um! But the the brief planting that was required it was. It was approved by you guys as well as the county already, and half of it's been done, and the other half is being done

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Matt Stoddard: within the next twenty-seven days. I would explain the history a little different than you did. But I understand. Thank you for that clarification.

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Peter Frawley: If I could interject here a little bit again, so that that's the canopy portion of this. And then uh the landscape portion. The vegetation portion of the stream is uh from what the Zack had explained, it's going to be reconstructed, and it's going to be some.

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Peter Frawley: Some stone jay hooks put in the stream, and in

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Peter Frawley: a stone embankment put in the stream to direct,

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Peter Frawley: significant water events. I'm. Going to come back in and on the

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Peter Frawley: on the benches that are just above the string bed itself. We're going to put edges in in and grasses. And And the reason we're selecting the edges and the grasses for the interior of the stream is for the rooting characteristics of these plants. They're native plants, and

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Peter Frawley: we need plants that will really root in well into the stream to hold the embankment.

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Peter Frawley: It was mentioned by one of the neighbors. At the the top is a straight line of yup on hollies,

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Peter Frawley: and your pond natives or ink very could be at the top, but the

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Peter Frawley: the hedge at the top of the stream is more of a safety issue. It's it's to the kind of a warning thing it's use of native shrubs that there's a steep drop off. You know people are using this house. This is a residential property. It's just a something we've put in

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Peter Frawley: to kind of uniform, uniform it together

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Peter Frawley: as well. We get in a zealous hydranges um to to

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Peter Frawley: working with the rest of the planning. So most of the planning for native

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Peter Frawley: we need to root the stream in, and that's why we've had the selection of plants we have.

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Matt Stoddard: I have one more question for staff um staff

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Matt Stoddard: it. Someone's job to make sure that this applicant has not

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Matt Stoddard: increase the speed of water flow over his property, such that he's flooding downstream neighbors by cutting down those trees, and

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Matt Stoddard: what what i'm getting at is. It appears that some of the the neighbors are asking for us for that to be our job, and it seems that some of the responses from the applicant is, we're putting in these benches to try to deter the speed of the water.

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Matt Stoddard: Is it someone's job. And is it ours?

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RACHEL BRAGG: Um, no, it's not yours. Um. That will be reviewed during the land development. Permit process

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Jon Hart: to make sure that the

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Matt Stoddard: that these guidelines are followed about the Are these native grasses? Are they in an orientation that's appropriate that sort of thing

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Heather Shuster: as well as scale, trying to ensure that the overall character and existing scale is

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Heather Shuster: Um, John, you are our best resource here.

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Jon Hart: Any questions concerns that you have.

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Jon Hart: Uh i'm familiar with streambank restoration uh in String Bank restoration design,

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Jon Hart: and this appears to

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Jon Hart: meet those standards. It looks like It's a carefully thought out

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Jon Hart: to reduce erosion, which clearly, from the photographs is happening. Uh, I get it. A lot of trees were cut down. I remember those uh applications,

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Jon Hart: you know. I think, that the applicant and the

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Jon Hart: immediate downstream Neighbors beyond are all suffering from twenty years of increased impervious surface upstream.

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Jon Hart: I don't think this is all focused on this one applicant, and because he got some trees down.

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Jon Hart: I think it goes way up the hill.

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Jon Hart: Um, and it rains hard.

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Jon Hart: So I think that

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Jon Hart: if the applicant is willing to go through this process, which is a Federal permit. Um!

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Jon Hart: The State law governs changes in

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Jon Hart: stormwater, you know an increase of storm water to a neighbor,

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Jon Hart: but on some sort of flowing channel like this that would be hard to prove. I think the State law is more in terms of you. Can't put a pipe at your neighbor's window

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Jon Hart: Something like this, you know.

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Jon Hart: But you don't know if it's. Did it rain harder? Did someone four houses up build up

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Jon Hart: the carriage house. You know we don't know you don't know what all comes into effect. My point is simply that if this applicants willing to do this, then we should support them.

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Jon Hart: the drawings.

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Jon Hart: Have a couple of different

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Jon Hart: notes that point to Sorry i'm trying to pull that up

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Jon Hart: uh C County, approved three reg vegetative plan for this area. Total twenty, two trees

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Jon Hart: and we it doesn't appear that that drawing is in this application.

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Jon Hart: But the applicants telling us that he is in the process of satisfying that. Um!

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Jon Hart: And then there's another area, three dogwoods in this area of twenty-two trees.

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Jon Hart: So somewhere out there there's a twenty-two tree revived Re reforestation Rec. Canopy plan.

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Jon Hart: I don't think it's Danielle's job to go out there and count the trees

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Jon Hart: that maybe the august department can

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RACHEL BRAGG: help with that. There has been a a land inspector involved with that that portion of the application.

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Jon Hart: So you you know that that's on. Go, but it's it's in practice.

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Matt Stoddard: What John said just was

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Matt Stoddard: makes me feel good about what i'm about. To say. I make a motion to approve.

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Heather Shuster: And, John, you've just second correct.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, John. We'll put it to vote, Leslie.

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leslie spencer: Yes, not

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Matt Stoddard: Yes, John

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Heather Shuster: and I also go. Yes, thank you for the application. We appreciate it.

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Heather Shuster: and we will move on to our next agenda. Item:

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: alright, Application J.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: One thousand two hundred and seven Oxford Road.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Application is for a one story. Addition, garage, Renovation. Window Modifications. Addition of a rear courtyard and installation of a swimming pool

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is proposing a one story, rear addition and garage modification.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The covered walkway that leads from the garage to the rear of the house will be removed. The roof will be taken off of the garage, and the garage door will be replaced. A new floor. Joyce system will be constructed on existing frame walls to create a dwelling unit above

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: new siding and trim will be installed.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The garage will have a new side,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and the garage roof will also have a rear-facing gable that covers the rear extension of the garage.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um! The

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: roof rafters will be extended above the garage door, and stances will be added to the front elevation above the door.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The The dormer will have two six, like casement windows, and portions of the driveway will be modified to include a landscape Median,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: as well as a section of the driveway will be removed.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A four over four double hung window will be on the side elevation at the second story, and a paired six over six double hong window will be at the second story. Rear elevation of the garage.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The interior side of the garage facing the backyard will have paired six over six double hung windows that are that will be salvaged from the kitchen in the main um house and grilling area.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: New windows will be installed in the kitchen in the kitchen area on the northeast corner of the house. During the kitchen renovation

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the existing patio will be removed to accommodate the construction of the one story addition.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The addition will have a metal shed roof and brick brick exterior,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: a set of six over six double one windows from the pre existing family room will be used on the rear facade of the addition.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The addition will also have a screen porch. Um, and it will be connected to the garage at the northeast corner.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The windows on the northeast corner of the house will be modified from six over six double hung to what appears to be casement

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: on the front the side of the house. The applicant is proposing a replacement for the existing bay window. The new window will be a box bay window with a larger bottom sash and curved metal roof,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: new gas lanterns, and a glass panel door are proposed.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The existing front walkway will be removed and replaced with porous pavers.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The front landing and stoop will be modified, using brick and limestone materials.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Planting bets will be installed on both sides of stoop

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and shutters would be installed on the on two windows on the front facade.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Additionally, the applicant is proposing demolition of a greenhouse at the rear of the property and removal of the chain link fence around the property.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um! They will be looking to install a six foot wood fence um, and they would also be looking to modify the backyard landscape.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A black metal fence proposed on the south elevation of the house.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um!

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: It should be noted that the Cad County property records indicate that the left rear addition of the house was added in two thousand and four, and it's believed that the right addition was added post nineteen eighties.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is also looking for comments only on a modification to the front entry surround um. The proposed modification would be to change the material of the doors around to either cast stone or limestone.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The final design has yet to be determined.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Staff is recommending denial of the since the black metal fence um as fences in front yard spaces to not meet Guideline Nine point four

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: um staff is also recommending denial of the shutters on the front facade. Um. As they do not meet Guidelines six point, one point, two, and no historic documentation has been provided to substantiate their existence previously.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um! The remaining scope does not appear to have a substantial adverse effect, and Staff is recommending approval.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you. Daniel

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6784370630: is the applicant here, and can they speak on behalf of the project?

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Mark Arnold: So uh my name's Mark Arnold and i'm representing Karen for a kin. She's the applicant, but she is unavailable. Tonight.

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6784370630: Um,

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Mark Arnold: I don't um. It was a great summary, so i'm i'm not gonna rehash that the only thing um, and I think we're good with with the

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6784370630: the

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Mark Arnold: the recommendation for approval of everything but the the shutters. But I do want to talk about the chain link fence,

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Mark Arnold: um, or the existing channel effects, and that's just the point. The The the fence that is is has been recommended for denial is actually replacing an existing chain link that it's in place. So

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Mark Arnold: I think. Um,

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i'm hoping that that that might mitigate the denial

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Mark Arnold: recommendation, since since they're already as an existing fence. And then also um,

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Mark Arnold: you you really can't even see the fences there from the street. There's a large thirty-six inch oak and then there's a a twenty, I think a twenty one inch tree in front of it, and then another smaller fifteen inch tree near the street,

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Mark Arnold: actually two two trees near the street, and all that stays in place uh the homeowners.

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Mark Arnold: Brandon and Haley are on the call, too, and Haley is actually landscape architect who has done some of the design. So i'm, if Haley, if you want to weigh in on the fence, I think this will be a good time.

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Yes, i'm happy to do that. Thank you. Mark um.

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Haley.Maitre: So the as Mark mentioned the fence that we're proposing is to replace um the existing chain link fence in place, and we're we're asking to do that for a couple of reasons, one the where it's currently located um

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Haley.Maitre: mit ctl, and behind it is our primary bedroom and bathroom, and for security reasons, because we are along the twentieth and path. We were hoping to keep that fence in place for security reasons and one hundred and one

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6784370630: for aesthetic reasons. Um. Many of the houses on Oxford Road have their side fence located in a similar location and proximity of their house. Um. Our adjacent neighbors on both sides have similar locations with their site fences as well.

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Haley.Maitre: Um, I and I have a

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6784370630: photos. If if you would like to view those so that would help, because I I can't see see where it's noted on your proposed site plan. But I don't see where that fence is on your existing. It's in this uh survey.

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6784370630: Yeah, and I have. I have that. I can share my screen and show you the survey where it's where the fence is called out, and then also have a Google Street view showing the view from the street and Mark and Haley. You're both co-host. Now, so you both have the ability to share your screen.

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6784370630: Uh, Now i'm in the hot seat. Okay,

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Mark Arnold: And I do that where

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6784370630: someone Oh, I see on the bottom of your screen. There's an up arrow,

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and then I should be able to select either the screen or the document you'd like to share.

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6784370630: Okay, um.

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6784370630: So the survey should be there.

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Heather Shuster: This. Yeah, we have the topographic survey.

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6784370630: Okay? Well, so I I don't know if you can see my my cursor actually let me try to. I can't see your screen yet, or you can't see it

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Mark Arnold: that has an option to share. Screen one. Or if you have multiple screens or a specific document, you got it. So this is this is the survey, the existing conditions, the tip back, topographic survey, and then where the cursor is,

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6784370630: I don't think so. It's kind of a center bottom. That's the existing phones, and I'm going around it now

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6784370630: and then. Let's see how

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6784370630: is the screen now been updated to the Google Street view, or do I have to press something

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spare with me for a minute.

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Mark Arnold: Okay, hold on.

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6784370630: Okay.

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6784370630: So then, this is the Google Street view, because it is that on the screen now,

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Mark Arnold: and the fence is back here. So there's There's a smaller tree to the right. There's a a nice young tree close to the sidewalk, then the larger, I think thirty-six inch oak in the back, and there's another tree back on that, and then I don't know um, Hayley, if these are a zealous or redundant, but but nice planting that's screening

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any fence that you could see

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over twenty year old

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6784370630: that we try to keep in their natural form

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6784370630: all right, and on the other side of the property like, will there be a bit of fence behind the carriage house, or if any of that getting closed off as well. Yeah.

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6784370630: So there will be uh the tailing fence that runs along the southern portion of the property. That is the chain link fence currently, and we're proposing that that would be an updated, since as well,

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all right, I think we can

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move to neighbors. Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for against the application?

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Heather Shuster: Uh, Steven?

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Steven Georgalis: Hi! I I just wanted to speak In general. I know Mr. Arnold's work um over the decades, and I've I've known him to be exceptionally appropriate um and done stellar work architecturally uh in the city, and so I've I've no doubt that he has taken

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6784370630: fully everything into account to make sure that it complies with the uh, the neighborhood, and that it will do nothing but add to the the inputs appeal.

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6784370630: Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Any other neighbors that wish to speak for against

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6784370630: all right, Commission numbers feel free to ask any questions or make a motion.

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01:17:00.620 --> 01:17:02.180
Oh, that's good.

504
01:17:02.290 --> 01:17:10.359
6784370630: This is John Hart. Um! I don't have any issues with the this is another one of those thank you for asking

505
01:17:10.450 --> 01:17:13.950
these would be, It would have been, I think, in their right to

506
01:17:14.990 --> 01:17:19.160
Jon Hart: and repair the existing fence in place without asking

507
01:17:19.620 --> 01:17:23.580
um. So I don't really see any reason to tell them they have to move the fence there.

508
01:17:25.900 --> 01:17:31.720
6784370630: I I don't have issue with the fence either. Um the shutters and changes to the front facade. So

509
01:17:32.080 --> 01:17:34.049
6784370630: I I think those are

510
01:17:35.630 --> 01:17:38.090
inappropriate to the style of

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um.

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6784370630: We're we're okay to let go of the shutters. I mean, Do you also Karen, of course, isn't here, but the people that are here Okay, with that

513
01:17:49.800 --> 01:18:01.989
6784370630: the bay window things fine, though right heather, because it wasn't an original. It's because it's not original. Um, and it's the new design is in keeping with the style of the home. So that's kind of

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01:18:05.870 --> 01:18:24.529
6784370630: I don't have any problems with the There's some common only stuff about the front porch. I'm not the Oh, the front porch. We don't have a drawing of what they would like us to consider. I think it's um. It says it in the drawing. The phone. I think the best I could tell is they were looking to

515
01:18:25.120 --> 01:18:29.739
put back exactly the same thing that's in wood now with

516
01:18:30.010 --> 01:18:32.200
Jon Hart: limestone or cast stone.

517
01:18:33.320 --> 01:18:34.490
6784370630: Um,

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01:18:35.620 --> 01:18:36.860
Jon Hart: I think

519
01:18:37.740 --> 01:18:43.070
Jon Hart: I think that that is uh there's a guideline that says, don't do that.

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01:18:43.230 --> 01:19:01.539
Jon Hart: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of guidelines to talk about material, and we do want to keep materials as they were. It would kind of somehow it would be considered an improvement like trying to make it better, which is what you're not necessarily supposed to do with front facades.

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01:19:02.040 --> 01:19:03.240
Jon Hart: Um!

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01:19:04.410 --> 01:19:06.679
Jon Hart: So that would be my comment would be to

523
01:19:06.900 --> 01:19:12.260
Jon Hart: drill into the ordinance a little harder. I think you're going to find that there's a guideline that says don't do that,

524
01:19:12.890 --> 01:19:14.680
Jon Hart: and it looks fine as what

525
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:16.490
um

526
01:19:18.480 --> 01:19:28.279
Haley.Maitre: can I add a a comment? Um! So we have the architectural drawings of that surround that. It's not original to the home.

527
01:19:28.400 --> 01:19:32.980
Haley.Maitre: Um, if that makes any difference just wanted to.

528
01:19:33.820 --> 01:19:35.610
Haley.Maitre: So you have what it was.

529
01:19:35.770 --> 01:19:42.119
Haley.Maitre: Um, it was done when the addition um the of the property was made in the eighties

530
01:19:42.220 --> 01:19:45.609
Heather Shuster: right. But do you have any imagery of what it was before?

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Haley.Maitre: Yes, we do. We have. We reached up to um homeowners from who did the the nineteen eighties Addition, and they provided photos of the home prior to the addition.

532
01:19:59.480 --> 01:20:04.209
Heather Shuster: Yeah, I think if you're trying to take it back to what it was. Prior,

533
01:20:04.690 --> 01:20:09.050
Heather Shuster: we're going to be happier to entertain that type of application.

534
01:20:11.640 --> 01:20:25.609
6784370630: But yeah, we need to see it. So it It just needs to be an application where we have all those visuals

535
01:20:25.620 --> 01:20:31.640
6784370630: Um, Haley and Brandon, whether they want to go further with that. But to be clear. It's just the surround We're talking about the

536
01:20:31.690 --> 01:20:41.859
Mark Arnold: the the way i'm reading the the summary is that the steps taking out the round steps and squaring it off and change the material of our steps is all part of the approved

537
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at work.

538
01:20:54.070 --> 01:20:57.789
Heather Shuster: Just trying to verify what's in this one versus what's coming?

539
01:21:01.020 --> 01:21:02.449
Matt Stoddard: Yeah, definitely.

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01:21:27.370 --> 01:21:35.779
Matt Stoddard: I'm about to make a motion unless John or Leslie or Heather has something else to

541
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6784370630: John. If you're talking, you're on mute.

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01:21:39.080 --> 01:21:43.410
6784370630: Sorry I could use another minute. I'm reading the glass panel door

543
01:21:45.080 --> 01:21:48.629
Jon Hart: and trying to compare that to the door. That's there now.

544
01:21:50.030 --> 01:21:55.440
6784370630: Alright, so that is part of this application correct? Yes,

545
01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:05.440
I

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01:22:17.070 --> 01:22:23.759
Jon Hart: So the proposed front elevation drawing does not include a glass panel door.

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01:22:24.450 --> 01:22:25.809
Heather Shuster: It does

548
01:22:26.060 --> 01:22:28.829
Jon Hart: it. It's

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Jon Hart: like a zero seven.

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01:22:32.260 --> 01:22:33.400
Heather Shuster: Yes,

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01:22:35.030 --> 01:22:50.899
Mark Arnold: it's a three quarter panel with two uh solid panels below it, that that are the same, that they mimic the the existing solid door that it stays in place beyond. Is that correct ailing?

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01:22:51.190 --> 01:22:55.459
6784370630: I'll add glass panel door in front of existing solid door.

553
01:22:55.850 --> 01:22:56.740
It was,

554
01:22:58.300 --> 01:23:01.349
It seems, like a workaround to a place,

555
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:06.440
Jon Hart: so you would actually see

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01:23:07.040 --> 01:23:11.149
6784370630: the historic door, you'd see the glass panel in front of it.

557
01:23:11.190 --> 01:23:12.790
Yeah, you have both.

558
01:23:16.640 --> 01:23:23.729
Jon Hart: I I don't think we can approve that

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Jon Hart: uh,

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01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:28.050
Jon Hart: historically,

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Haley.Maitre: Is it a hard no for any at the door update to include the the corridor is damaged. Um, that's there now, And and that was one of the reasons we were hoping to update it.

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01:23:44.300 --> 01:23:45.370
Haley.Maitre: Um,

563
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Jon Hart: update is a terrible word. Sorry. Um,

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01:23:51.710 --> 01:23:56.029
Jon Hart: I think the idea is to.

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Jon Hart: However,

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Jon Hart: it would be interesting. I mean at this point I would be asking you to defer all your front entry

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01:24:05.400 --> 01:24:11.539
Jon Hart: for a little more information, particularly since you might have some historic photos that you're trying to get to

568
01:24:12.150 --> 01:24:13.450
Jon Hart: um,

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Jon Hart: and then that would be something that we probably could approve,

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01:24:18.340 --> 01:24:23.809
Jon Hart: because it seems like the door that you have now is missing some sort of glass.

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01:24:24.020 --> 01:24:27.479
Jon Hart: I just have some sort of lights to it. Um,

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01:24:28.150 --> 01:24:31.929
Haley.Maitre: it! It's a it's just a solid wood. Yeah,

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Jon Hart: that would be my take would be to ask you to defer

574
01:24:36.810 --> 01:24:39.730
Jon Hart: the front door front entry

575
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Jon Hart: for a second application,

576
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Jon Hart: or or maybe we just pull that. I'm not worried about the gas lamps, but the

577
01:24:50.430 --> 01:24:53.009
Jon Hart: glass panel would be a now.

578
01:24:54.030 --> 01:24:56.199
Jon Hart: But I think you might find some

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01:24:57.450 --> 01:24:59.160
Jon Hart: ground to

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01:24:59.500 --> 01:25:00.799
Jon Hart: to work with

581
01:25:00.830 --> 01:25:01.710
Jon Hart: in

582
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Jon Hart: figuring out what used to be there.

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Haley.Maitre: I i'm not one hundred percent sure if the existing door that's there right now. The current door was the historic. What was historically there.

584
01:25:19.420 --> 01:25:20.400
Haley.Maitre: Um!

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01:25:20.730 --> 01:25:26.119
Haley.Maitre: I can provide some pictures for the next round um for review,

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01:25:26.180 --> 01:25:38.029
Haley.Maitre: I but it It was the the pictures that we have seen from the previous owners is. It was a solid door, and it looks very similar to what is there now? But it was not a glass um.

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01:25:38.170 --> 01:25:40.139
Haley.Maitre: It did not have any to it,

588
01:25:40.620 --> 01:25:41.599
Heather Shuster: So

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Heather Shuster: your options are. We can deny portions of your application, or defer. The benefit of defer is that you'll move to the top of the agenda next month. But if you want more time we can just deny, and then you can apply whenever you see it.

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01:25:57.210 --> 01:26:01.260
Mark Arnold: I know if we defer, I mean, can you, can you?

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01:26:01.370 --> 01:26:13.090
Mark Arnold: I think what John was getting out? Can you approve everything but the the front

592
01:26:13.390 --> 01:26:20.650
Heather Shuster: adequate and neat guidelines? And just deny this portion. So i'm just saying that that portion you can choose to deny or defer.

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01:26:21.840 --> 01:26:27.440
Mark Arnold: Haley. I think we want to defer

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01:26:27.710 --> 01:26:30.619
Haley.Maitre: that way. We can. We can discuss

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01:26:31.320 --> 01:26:34.339
Haley.Maitre: options that are possible for approval next time.

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01:26:34.990 --> 01:26:38.649
Heather Shuster: Very good. Um. So commission members, we have

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01:26:39.060 --> 01:26:43.369
Heather Shuster: the main package. We have the front door. We have the shutters.

598
01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:46.869
Heather Shuster: We have the fence. I invite promotion.

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Jon Hart: So I moved to approve by the application. At twelve

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Jon Hart: zero, seven Oxford road,

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Jon Hart: with

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Jon Hart: the following

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01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:07.769
Jon Hart: denials:

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Jon Hart: The uh shutter addition is denied,

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01:27:13.990 --> 01:27:18.000
Jon Hart: and what I'm. Going to call paragraph four

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01:27:18.540 --> 01:27:20.930
Jon Hart: of the staff report

607
01:27:21.330 --> 01:27:26.220
Jon Hart: which begins on the front facade of the house. The substance of that paragraph

608
01:27:26.410 --> 01:27:29.910
Jon Hart: would be uh, denied

609
01:27:31.400 --> 01:27:33.850
Jon Hart: the anticipating a deferral.

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01:27:33.900 --> 01:27:37.349
Jon Hart: Maybe I should say it should be that that should be deferred

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01:27:38.180 --> 01:27:39.940
Jon Hart: for a future application

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01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:42.130
Heather Shuster: in the fence

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01:27:42.480 --> 01:27:47.060
Jon Hart: uh the fence is approved, as uh as shown,

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01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:51.750
Jon Hart: was that coherent

615
01:27:52.040 --> 01:27:56.280
Matt Stoddard: was for me. I second, that. Can I ask a question before you all vote on that

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01:27:56.340 --> 01:28:03.770
Mark Arnold: um paragraph. Four includes the the reworking of the non historic bay on the right side of the House, and

617
01:28:04.260 --> 01:28:06.519
Mark Arnold: I It was my understanding that that was

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01:28:07.250 --> 01:28:11.129
Mark Arnold: that that was okay. From a appropriate standpoint.

619
01:28:13.750 --> 01:28:16.860
Heather Shuster: John, would you like to modify your

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01:28:16.950 --> 01:28:18.940
Jon Hart: okay uh

621
01:28:20.320 --> 01:28:22.190
Jon Hart: shit? Alright, Sorry.

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01:28:22.230 --> 01:28:23.420
Jon Hart: Um.

623
01:28:23.530 --> 01:28:28.930
Jon Hart: I read, I read, i'm. Redoing. This. I move to approve the application.

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Jon Hart: With the exception

625
01:28:34.010 --> 01:28:35.290
Jon Hart: of

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01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:44.450
Jon Hart: the front door front landing

627
01:28:44.650 --> 01:28:46.770
Jon Hart: front, stew,

628
01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:50.099
Jon Hart: and

629
01:28:55.140 --> 01:28:58.400
Jon Hart: a denial of the shutters on the front facade.

630
01:29:00.510 --> 01:29:02.270
Jon Hart: Approval of the

631
01:29:02.310 --> 01:29:05.559
Jon Hart: well, I I mean the the the the application

632
01:29:05.650 --> 01:29:11.829
Jon Hart: was for the fence. I'm just saying I approve the application.

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01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.920
Heather Shuster: Thank you, Matt:

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01:29:14.980 --> 01:29:23.010
Matt Stoddard: Yeah. So I second that. And just to be clear that the portions that were taken out other than the shutters are being deferred

635
01:29:23.160 --> 01:29:25.059
Matt Stoddard: with the applicants agreement.

636
01:29:32.300 --> 01:29:33.410
leslie spencer: Yes,

637
01:29:33.530 --> 01:29:35.550
Heather Shuster: John,

638
01:29:45.440 --> 01:29:50.600
Haley.Maitre: alright we'll move on to the next item on the agenda

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Application K. Eleven forty-six Oxford road

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01:30:02.390 --> 01:30:10.779
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: applicant is proposing a demolition of a one story garage for one and a half story garage, with the accessory dwelling unit above

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01:30:11.130 --> 01:30:17.820
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the new garage, will be twenty-two feet by twenty-three feet, and have two garage based on the first story.

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01:30:18.240 --> 01:30:24.420
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The garage will be clad with half timbering, using hardy panel, similar to what's on the house?

643
01:30:24.660 --> 01:30:32.079
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The roof will be a side gable with shed and dormer um, and clad with fiberglass shingles.

644
01:30:32.430 --> 01:30:36.959
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The half story will have a living bedroom and pool house space.

645
01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:42.979
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The Pool house will have a porch that projects to the front facade of the garage.

646
01:30:43.410 --> 01:30:47.180
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: There is a deck on the rear elevation of the garage.

647
01:30:47.470 --> 01:30:53.869
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Retaining walls will be located at both the front and rear elevation of the garage

648
01:30:54.160 --> 01:31:01.709
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and the concrete driveway will be modified to be ten and a half feet, with a three foot grass strip,

649
01:31:02.370 --> 01:31:08.460
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: located directly in front of the garage is a eighteen foot by thirty-six foot pool.

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01:31:10.010 --> 01:31:20.590
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A single story addition is being proposed on the right elevation of the house. The proposed addition will have nine light fixed windows on the right and rear elevation.

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01:31:20.740 --> 01:31:26.039
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The right elevation of the addition will also have a fifty-eight.

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01:31:26.340 --> 01:31:31.320
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The roof of the addition is flat, with the brick parapet wall surrounding

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01:31:31.780 --> 01:31:38.750
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the exterior cladding. Of the addition is brick. Um and new French doors are being post on the rear elevation

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: on the left elevation of the house. The side porch will be glassed in to create a fourteen and a half uh foot by twenty-three um twenty-three foot condition. Space. The roof will be flat, and we'll have curb mountains mounted skylights.

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01:31:58.430 --> 01:32:03.590
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A fifty-eight foot fireplace will be on the left elevation of the enclosed space.

656
01:32:04.040 --> 01:32:11.769
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The original porch on the right elevation of the house will be enclosed, and have clear windows with no solid walls.

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01:32:12.670 --> 01:32:27.440
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The proposed changes do not appear to have a substantial adverse effect on the district, as the addition to both sides, elevations of the property do not appear visible from the resources within the area of influence.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The massing and height of the editions are consistent in size and scale to other surrounding structures in the district Um, and additionally, the proposed accessory building appears to meet the guidelines. Staff recommends approval.

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01:32:42.750 --> 01:32:44.150
Heather Shuster: Thank you, Daniel.

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01:32:45.130 --> 01:32:48.930
Heather Shuster: Alright, With the applicant like to speak on behalf of this project.

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01:32:48.950 --> 01:32:54.440
dave price: I Yes, this is Dave Price, a price residential design. Can you hear me? All right.

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01:32:54.450 --> 01:33:11.649
dave price: The The staff is recommended approval, so i'll keep my comments brief, and the work we are proposing is either totally not visible from the right of way, or is minimally so. Uh. The new accessory is one to have stories, but it's front wall will actually be behind

663
01:33:11.660 --> 01:33:23.009
dave price: the rear wall of the existing non-historic cement block garage that we are. We are demolishing the lot, slopes down in the rear after sloping up in the front yard

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01:33:23.020 --> 01:33:32.589
dave price: uh to the main house location. So it is difficult to see this structure, with its Uh garage doors one hundred and eighty feet from Oxford Road.

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01:33:32.700 --> 01:33:44.190
dave price: All of the additions to the main house will be one story, and will be on the rear of the original house, mostly adjacent to the existing non-historic edition from two thousand and twenty

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01:33:44.390 --> 01:33:57.000
dave price: There are thirteen existing trees at this house, and two rear yard trees will be removed, including a nineteen inch tree and a fifteen inch tree that appears to be in poor condition.

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01:33:57.040 --> 01:34:06.760
dave price: The previous light coverage will be thirty-four point two, and the porous papers around the pool will add an additional five, which is allowed by decab

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01:34:06.900 --> 01:34:23.179
dave price: uh the items that will be most visible from the street includes the new driveway gate Uh, located more than halfway back the right side of the house, and the image that you see of that black metal gate on sheet. A one

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01:34:23.190 --> 01:34:28.499
dave price: was the design that was approved in a night in two thousand and twenty, and never built

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dave price: the original right side porch will be enclosed with glass uh to provide an office space, and there will be no solid walls other than just the window frames, as shown on the elevations.

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01:34:40.870 --> 01:34:49.649
dave price: We appreciate the help and advice of the staff, and hope that the Commission will accept their recommendation and vote for approval. So Thank you.

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01:34:49.700 --> 01:34:54.790
Heather Shuster: Thank you. Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for against the application

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01:35:02.940 --> 01:35:07.790
Heather Shuster: right? Do we have a commission number that wishes to either make a motion or ask any questions.

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01:35:08.990 --> 01:35:12.290
Matt Stoddard: Looks very well done. I make a motion to approve.

675
01:35:12.470 --> 01:35:14.830
Heather Shuster: Thank you, not. We have a second,

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01:35:16.840 --> 01:35:20.730
leslie spencer: Thank you, Leslie. We will take it to vote, John.

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01:35:25.360 --> 01:35:26.739
Jon Hart: All right. Yes,

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01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:38.919
Heather Shuster: thank you, Leslie.

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01:35:43.860 --> 01:35:53.109
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Alright, Application L. Um zero Pont. Daily on Avenue. This application is for comment only.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um applicant is proposing the modification and repair of two brick signs at the entrance of Pont daily on manner

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01:36:00.930 --> 01:36:08.019
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. The applicant is proposing to clean and repoint the brick on both sides and install capstones.

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01:36:08.040 --> 01:36:14.349
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The post works would also include updating the lettering on both sides, as they currently do not match,

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01:36:17.650 --> 01:36:21.770
Heather Shuster: Alright, Is the applicant here to speak on behalf of this.

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01:36:22.460 --> 01:36:29.139
Karen Hunter: Hi! This is Karen Hunter. Um, i'm the applicant, but the signs are actually in the right of way,

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01:36:30.690 --> 01:36:41.210
Karen Hunter: and my husband and I own the adjoining property on the west side. It's um adjoining the church property for the Antioch Church on the east side.

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01:36:42.510 --> 01:36:46.699
Karen Hunter: The signs have been there since approximately one thousand nine hundred and fifty-seven,

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Karen Hunter: and they have not been updated, and they've been relatively poorly maintained. And so some of the brickwork is starting to crumble, so we definitely want to repair the brickwork, and then, while we're at it, put in capstone, so that there'll be less damage long term, so they'll protect the pillars on each side.

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01:37:06.950 --> 01:37:14.530
Heather Shuster: Alright, Um! They do differ a little bit. How did you arrive at style of one over the other

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01:37:15.460 --> 01:37:34.959
Karen Hunter: unknown. Um! There's no one on the on the street who knows the history behind the signs, and you see the lettering is pretty significantly different. The colors are are somewhat different, and so we want to make those consistent on both sides, and we want to make the letter, and more consistent with lettering that would have appeared during that period.

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01:37:36.870 --> 01:37:39.440
Matt Stoddard: My view is, it's

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Matt Stoddard: totally fine. You got a not a storage sign. Looks like it's brick, and everything else is around. It is bricks, right materials

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01:37:48.160 --> 01:37:49.550
Matt Stoddard: looks fine to me.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, there's that viewpoint. What's yours? Um. Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak regarding this application, and if you're on the phone, that's a star six or star nine.

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Reshma Maherali : Hi! Um uh, Can you hear me? Okay. My name is Roshma Maharelli. Um. I own the home that is, uh directly to the west uh one of the signs Um, I

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Reshma Maherali : although i'm not part of the subdivision. I'm the closest, I guess. I'm i'm a new neighbor to Miss Hunter and her husband.

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Reshma Maherali : Um! The issue that I have is um. The The application is not being made on on behalf of an H. A. It is being made on behalf of a single person and um, that is a little bit of concerning to me

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Reshma Maherali : uh, because you'd have somebody just making an improvement, and could potentially claim that as their own uh through. I guess some of the laws that are out there.

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Reshma Maherali : And so that is just my my voice and my concern. I do agree. The the the land uh the the sign actually needs some work, and it's pressure watching, and maybe the letter and change. But it's not being made on behalf of the the H. A. Or maybe perhaps several neighbors. It's on behalf of a single applicant, and that's the concern that I have. Thank you so much for your time.

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Karen Hunter: Yeah, there's there's there's actually No, there's no Hiv. We're part of the association. There's no H. A. For the neighborhood, and there is documentation where the neighbors have

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Karen Hunter: um voted had plenty of conversation about wanting to do this update. It was put on hold during Covid, and then we've um re-established the conversation. Um, This and

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Karen Hunter: we recently acquired the adjacent piece of property. And so that's why we're somewhat in interested in making sure that we get the sign updated a question for you. Also, the vegetation is completely overgrown in that area. Are you also including to uh, do any work on that and does it also kind of impact my property as well, since i'm right next to you.

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Reshma Maherali : And the

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Karen Hunter: yeah, that's in the plan as well.

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Karen Hunter: But that But that's not part of what we're trying to get approved today, because vegetation. T Isn't: typically part of this approval process to that extent.

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Karen Hunter: Basically we just need to cut back the azaleas and weed out the uh, the weeds that are in front of it, and again, like my uh, and I just wrap up on my side. My My major concern is, i'm actually being

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Reshma Maherali : uh going through an adverse possession uh situation myself, and that's the only thing I have. If you have somebody that's making improvements when a pres of property single individually.

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Reshma Maherali : Um, then, that opens up that risk, And I think that you would have more potential issues with that within your hills area if you had more more situations like that. So again, Um, I do appreciate your time.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you. Do we have any other neighbors that wish to speak,

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Rob Kincheloe: hey? This is uh Rob Kinslow again. Uh four, twenty, six. Burlington, with the Dhca's Land Use Commission. Miss Hunter has been in contact with us about the signs and seeking advice, and rallied the help of vapors on her street to raise this money to do the work it's. So we're very much in support of seeing the signs restored,

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Rob Kincheloe: and so i'd encourage you to vote, approve. Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: No, though tonight we're just getting comments, but I appreciate your feedback

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Jon Hart: um as a comment. I would encourage you to

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Jon Hart: find some historic charm.

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Jon Hart: You're not obligated to do that. It's Matt pointed out. It's not just, you know. I can look at the brick. It's not historic. Break this

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Jon Hart: when these were made. I think they were trying to

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Jon Hart: do a little. You know the the sort of pyramidal

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Jon Hart: Uh

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Jon Hart: columns

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Jon Hart: something that affect. Maybe

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Jon Hart: I don't know that it's us for us to approve or disapprove,

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Jon Hart: because it's not historic now, but I think the the sort of column capped flat cap.

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Jon Hart: It's just much more contemporary.

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Jon Hart: I suggest you find, find a

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Jon Hart: just a little bit of charm to it.

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Matt Stoddard: Noted, John. Thank you, miss my really i'm sorry for speaking out of turn. It was not my intention. I thought it was our turn to talk.

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Heather Shuster: Um,

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Matt Stoddard: Miss Hunter, as I understand what you're telling us. There's uh there's no community property there at all. Correct. It's just a bunch of lots right next to each other, and yours happens to be closest to the right away. Is that correct

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Karen Hunter: that we own we own a twenty by

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Karen Hunter: one hundred foot piece of land right there that was originally designated to be part of a gate,

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Karen Hunter: and it's been owned by someone who doesn't live in the neighborhood for the past fifty years. We've just recently acquired it from her. Um! We are on the street, on constantly on Manor.

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Reshma Maherali : I do have a survey. If you're interested uh you want me to share my screen. I I have it up, and I can share it with you. The parcel that she's recently acquired.

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Heather Shuster: I think that can be done when there's a formal application.

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Heather Shuster: This is just comment. I don't think

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Heather Shuster: we're not going to get into the legality of who has a say on this. We're just going to provide comment on how it applies to historic.

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Matt Stoddard: Okay, I was gonna give comment, but that's fine. I I think she's allowed to do it if it's in the if it's right away, and it's right next to her a lot not trying to get to a debate about it. But I mean most people's uh mailboxes are on the right, away in front of their house,

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Matt Stoddard: and the right away is really the same land. So but as the road, it's not like this right away. And then road. There's just a section of land owned by the State or the county, or the town, or whatever whatever jurisdiction on it.

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Karen Hunter: And essentially we're just trying to keep the signs from falling over at this point

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Karen Hunter: and then more over there.

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Heather Shuster: Yeah, I I just think when you have your formal application ready,

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Heather Shuster: have it as closely associated with the Druid Hill Civic Association as you can have. Neighbor input um signed neighbors supporting the application would be great, as many that you know, are in close proximity, and my personal opinion, I really dig the old English style one because it's unique.

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Heather Shuster: It's something special that we don't see everywhere. So it's nice to have those little hints of something different within the community.

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Karen Hunter: So when you say formal application, we were, we were told. Um! There are a couple of the neighbors, and I have been working on this.

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Karen Hunter: We were told that we need to go through this comment process, and then we just need to make sure that the Drt. Didn't have any issues. Do we need to come back to the Historic Preservation Commission with another proposal.

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Heather Shuster: I do not know Rachel or Daniel. Can you speak to the official process on this?

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RACHEL BRAGG: Yes, you'll need to come back um and have an official vote for an approval.

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Karen Hunter: Okay, I'll follow up with Rachel. I'll follow up with you and Daniel about what's needed there. Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: All right. Any other comments for this application.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you for giving us a chance to speak about it. We appreciate the interest in our input

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Heather Shuster: alright,

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moving on to the new construction agenda

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: application. M. One thousand eight hundred and fifty-nine bridge would drive

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the application is for demolition of a house tree Removal and new construction.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um! The demolition of the property was submitted for comment only to the H. Pc. In July. Um. It was discussed that there may be substantial structural issues. Um! The Commission suggested that site does it be done to confirm the conditions.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: So in August Um Staff visited the site, it was observed that portions of the cross space excavated were cut too close to the foundation support puddings. Um. Additionally, the close proximity of the foundation to the trees neighboring trees

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: was observed on the front elevation

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um. In July and September the applicant provided engineering reports um and an inspection report. Both reports identified many problems pertaining to the foundation of the house as well as issues with water intrusion.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The existing house is located at the corner of Ridgewood Drive in Burlington Place. Um. The property currently is a single storey, residential structure, which is cloud and brick veneer.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The roof is hipped with an exposed wrap, with exposed rafter tails, and Nashville single channels.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The house has a mix of six over one, three light fixed, and six light fixed windows. To the rear of the house is a two storey gable addition with ramp, three sheds and a car port.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is proposing construction of a new two-story house in the same location as the previous with the similar footprint.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The house will be aligned with Rich would drive and have a tutor Style, influence.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Accessory sheds and ramps are the existing accessory sheds and ramps are to be demolished, the existing car port will remain.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um! The two-story house will be brick and have a thirty foot set back

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the gable end on the north elevation will have half timbering with hardy panels.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The fiberglass shingle roof will be side gabled um with a pair of front facing cables and a rear hip roof.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A shed normal. Dharma will project from the side gable on the rear of the house, and we have timbered.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The house will have a terrace on the west elevation and a screen portion deck on the east elevation.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The existing concrete stairs on the front elevation of the house will be repaired, and a new walkway will be constructed.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The windows on the house would be a mix of six; over one double hung, four over one double hung, and for light fixed.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A nineteen foot concrete drive will be on the south elevation of the house and lead to a two car. Drive under two car drive under garage

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the criterion for democratic, for demolition and the guidelines Seven point three point three is that the House is so unsound that we re rehab is not possible,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: based on the information and reports provided by the applicant and the site visit conducted by Staff. It appears that the property is still in sound that rehab is not possible. Staff is recommending approval.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Additionally, the proposed and construction appears to meet the guidelines and Staff recommends approval.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you, Daniel. Um, Can we hear from the applicant?

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dave price: Uh, yeah, this is Dave Price again. Um price residential design. And uh, as mentioned when I was here for comment only. Uh, the project was always conceived as a renovation to provide an appropriate rear and upper floor addition to the historic but uh squat uh brick house and remove the a huge discordant rear addition uh, because of the long term water infiltration and poor original construction.

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dave price: Uh. Unfortunately, the foundation has been damaged beyond the range of rehabilitation. A structural engineer found a quote this: The The house is structurally unsounded. Rehabilitation is not possible without compromising the structural integrity of the home

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dave price: uh Unquote. The Cab county staff visited the site, and also recommended approval of the demolition, and based on these recommendations, our builder has stated that they are not a uh to attempt rehabilitation

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dave price: uh any possible injury or worse in a sudden collapse. Uh cannot be contemplated after we've been warned by a multiple entities that the work would be unsafe. Therefore the home is not a candidate for renovation, but we still hope to make a home that is similar to what we had originally hoped for.

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dave price: Uh, we propose an entirely new home, with in the same footprint and a similar lot location as the existing historic home, moved slightly to the north to come closer to compliance with the current zoning code

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dave price: uh the outline of the plan is the same as the original uh! With an upper floor added in a tutor style, which is the predominant style in this character area, and it appears to be a one and a half story structure. Viewed from the street Uh. Much like its neighbor to the north next door, neighbor,

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dave price: the uh brick color and basket weave course will be replicated as closely as possible uh to the existing, so that the final proud of the the final product will approximate what an appropriate renovation of the existing home would have looked like.

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dave price: We acknowledge that the the site sketch is lacking in detail, particularly for trees, and we do think there will be some trees removed in the rear yard. In addition to the two large trees within five feet of the existing house,

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dave price: the landscaping was not maintained, and there are too many trees for them all to remain healthy. Going forward. Many are fully encased in ivy. We expect to three to four additional trees in the rear will be removed, leaving five to eight healthy trees intact.

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dave price: Uh, the light coverage will be around thirty, one, so we're fine there, but we will need to get administrative variants to reduce the setback from Burlington Place from eighteen to sixteen feet. So we don't have to move the new structure overly, far from its original location.

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dave price: Uh The new home is forty-five feet wide, including the brick, which is slightly less than the existing so it will fit in the buildable area. Even if the administrative variance is denied for some reason, so it'll fit in that northern uh setback. Uh we appreciate the staff recommendation of approval and hope you will follow that advice. But i'm happy to discuss any issues or questions. Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Do you have any neighbors that wish to speak for against the application.

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Heather Shuster: Mr. Mcgregor.

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Bruce MacGregor: Yes, I'm. Bruce Mcgregor. I live at four, thirty, two, Burlington Road, I'm. A neighbor.

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Bruce MacGregor: This application is incomplete. There are no trees identified much less a tree recompense plan. There's no grading plan. There's no access plan, and there's no mention of the required building setbacks or a lot comfort that just learned today that the lot coverage

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Bruce MacGregor: appears to be thirty one percent. If that's true that

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Bruce MacGregor: and we haven't seen that on a plan uh that should be okay.

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Bruce MacGregor: The engineer's report is not persuasive. It identifies problems common to older houses in the area, and problems which we believe can be resolved short of demolition,

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Bruce MacGregor: allowing demolition to allow the demolition would re reward the neglect, and may establish a precedent for similar evaluations within this district.

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Bruce MacGregor: That's what in regard to the devilation within their construction. The street is primarily a single story to one and a half story street. This house would be two stories plus nine feet, so it'd be good bit taller

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Bruce MacGregor: than other houses around, and it's on top of the hill.

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Bruce MacGregor: And if the historic house is demolished, then current toes. Ah, apply, the current codes would call for a thirty foot set back on Burlington Place, as well as as a

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Bruce MacGregor: as on Ridgewood,

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Bruce MacGregor: so it in the the proposed house then would violate through a side, George Setback

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Bruce MacGregor: and the existing Carport would then become non-conforming

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Bruce MacGregor: they proposed under

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Bruce MacGregor: under garage uh

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Bruce MacGregor: driveway, may violate distance requirements from the Burlington of Burlington Ridgewood intersection,

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Bruce MacGregor: and, as stated above, there was no tree plan, no grading plan, and no access plan.

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Bruce MacGregor: And so we would urge that you either delay or

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Bruce MacGregor: defer. This application is just too many unknowns. It's it's in a very prominent location.

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Bruce MacGregor: It sits on top of a hill, and it's a There are a lot of trees on the site, and it's not clear which will remain which will not remain, and the notion that

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Bruce MacGregor: a tree that's in case by ivy is so, is is less worthy of of another tree. Well, the ivy can be taken off, I mean, I think many of us have taken plenty of ivy off trees. Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Mr. Mcgregor. Do we have any other neighbors I see. Uh, Mr.

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Rob Kincheloe: Um. And again I chair the Dhc Land Use Commission. Um, We recommend uh, we request for denial. Um. The reasons given in the in the Staff Report point to economic viability and cost, and I I didn't think that was something you guys were supposed to consider

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Rob Kincheloe: um when considering applications.

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Rob Kincheloe: Um,

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Rob Kincheloe: again, we're afraid there's a precedent that could be set here, that homes are too far gone, and a good bit of the older stock that hasn't been renovated, yet would then fall into that category.

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Rob Kincheloe: And so um i'm. I lived in Grant Park for ten years before living in Druid Hills for over ten now and um I've seen a lot worse brought back, and I think they're using the structural report, and these concerns of safety

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Rob Kincheloe: to try to get a lot out of. What is a house that is in need of renovation, a historic home, the district. So, for those reasons we would ask respectfully ask you to deny this application for demolition, much less the consideration of a new home. Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: We have other neighbors that wish to speak probably have about a minute or two left, and then

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Lynn Yohn: um. My name is Lynn Yol, and I actually back up to the home uh on Burlington Place. So while i'm not really uh talking about kind of the historic stuff we're dealing here. I'd like to learn about how I could learn more about the plan of the house, so if anybody could point me to that, so I could understand kind of

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Lynn Yohn: how it's gonna affect those properties in the back. Are they going to tear those down? What's gonna happen to the car port, so i'm interested in it from that perspective. If anybody can point me in that direction, i'm in the area. So this is a all brand new to me.

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Heather Shuster: So Rachel just posted in the chat the link that will take you to uh the agenda, and then you can see each of the homes applications which includes plans.

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You're welcome

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Heather Shuster: any other,

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Heather Shuster: Mr. Price.

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dave price: The plants have my uh phone number and uh email address on them as well. So you can get in contact with me. The plan is to leave the car port. That's there would be adjacent to your property alone. The other uh non historic accessory sheds would be removed uh, and ramps and things like that.

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dave price: Uh, we listen. We agree that uh the um uh uh, that we do need to have a full uh uh site plan. Uh, and

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dave price: we also agree that just because trees are covered with ivy doesn't mean that they're necessarily lost. But we haven't had a we haven't had a uh uh anyone to go out and look at them yet.

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dave price: Uh, we are certainly going to save those that we can

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dave price: uh the house is not the the structural survey, and the uh. The staff report was is not related to with the cost of repairing this house. It's about the safety. That's what the structural engineer said It said it. They said it's so unsound that it cannot be uh a rehabilitated

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dave price: uh, And now that we've had a couple of different people say that it's just too big of a liability to send somebody down there and try and and work on this uh, the setbacks are shown on the site sketch, so you can see that we will be asking for a uh, an administrative variance uh,

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dave price: and part of the problem with the house is that the original construction was undersized, and it's um it was. It was badly constructed, in the first place, and years of of

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dave price: bad maintenance has caused this problem. It's not anything that the cur that the um the proposed uh owners are. Um it wasn't their fault. It was something that this was just a a house that had a had an older person living in it for a long time. They just weren't able to take care of it.

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dave price: Um, thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you.

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Heather Shuster: Uh Commission Members. Anyone wish to make comment or a motion.

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Jon Hart: Um,

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Jon Hart: what i'm, I mean, I i'm reading the email from Rob Kinsello

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Jon Hart: Did I agree with one hundred percent. And I thought what Bruce Mcgregor said about the engineers report being not persuasive,

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Jon Hart: was dead on the month. Um, I think that was probably

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Jon Hart: Yeah, I guess now my seven years on the Historic Preservation Commission. It's probably the weakest report I've ever read,

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Jon Hart: and this is probably the best conditioned house that I've ever seen. Come before the Commission to ask for demolition. I'm not seeing it at all. Uh,

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Jon Hart: nothing tells me that this house can't be

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Jon Hart: repaired. Supported. I completely don't buy the safety issues with how to support the house,

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Jon Hart: to reinforce, or

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uh,

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Jon Hart: you know, and then i'm even more ill with the

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Jon Hart: some of you know the sloping floors and out of plum,

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Jon Hart: if that becomes the standard for what constitutes the demolition of home. Then we're in big trouble,

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Heather Shuster: so can we have feedback from staff on having visited the house, and

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Heather Shuster: why Staff feels this is a good candidate for demolition.

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Yeah. So Staff visited the house in August. Um. And while there we did observe how certain portions of the foundation they were dug too close um to the support

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: elements of the of the house. Um! And there were several areas it within the cross space where um

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: I would say, like Cmu blocks were stacked in order to stabilize the the um

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the floor above um, so it it seemed to be that um

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: the beat the i'm sorry um digging too close uh to the portions of the foundation, coupled with the water intrusion seemed to create stabilization issues. Um! So that was

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: what we observed that um

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: had us make our recommendation.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Um! And in in addition to the engineers report, it was also the um Inspections report that Staff found persuasive.

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Matt Stoddard: Uh, my memory is that one time before we had this application only for kind of like, would you guys agree to Demo? And maybe there was more to it. Which is this I don't know, but I was of the opinion that it was he had met the standard. I think it was fairly unanimous.

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Heather Shuster: Yeah, when we spoke about it prior to staff visiting, I think the group felt like this was a potential candidate for demolition,

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Heather Shuster: but we wanted stuff to visit. We wanted further information, but the information presented over summer we were leaning towards it. Staff backs us up. If documentation backs us up. This does seem like a demolition candidate.

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Heather Shuster: I hear you, too, John. Uh, I definitely hear you too. Um! But this one was presented at length at a previous meeting that i'm not sure if you were in attendance, if that one

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dave price: Yeah. And one of the big problems is that the uh, the soil capacity, the bearing soil uh capacity of the soil has been actually eroded from underneath the house because of the the the way that it was constructed, and I think a large portion of that was when they added on

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dave price: the uh big addition in the back. It made it so that water couldn't escape from the uh northern part, where it flowed down from the northern neighbor. So it uh it just made it so that it

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dave price: it it it it was. It literally washed away the the soil from beneath the um, the the floodings.

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Matt Stoddard: If we were to come around to um, you know, allowing a demolition, can you speak a little bit to some of the concerns about height. Um! I did One of the things that was mentioned, I think, by Mr. Mcgregor was that most. It's already on a hill,

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Matt Stoddard: and most of the other homes on the street are either one story or one and a half stories. And um I did kind of, you know. Go down the street on Google Maps, and these appears to be right. Do you know how much higher this would go over the existing

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dave price: uh over the existing Uh, i'm not real sure, because it's. It is a low slope uh brick house uh. So i'd have to get back to you on that we're more than willing to, uh defer on that part and get more information on the trees on the uh the building. Height,

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dave price: uh, but we there's no way to do a uh, you know, a full free survey and topo until we have a a pretty good understanding of whether or not we're going to be able to demolish this uh existing house as was a recommended

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Yeah, I mean,

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Matt Stoddard: my view is that i'm. I'm fine with the demolition, and that others may have different opinions. Of course I'm found the demolition i'm fine with, generally speaking, with what you're trying to do. I'm not worried about the setback stuff, because I feel like there's other departments that are supposed to do with that. Not us. But I I did have some concern about the height.

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Heather Shuster: I agree. I'm a bit concerned about the overall height as well. This area does have examples of homes that are taller versus the conversation we're having earlier, but

871
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Heather Shuster: it seems like we don't have to go that high here, so maybe we should.

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Heather Shuster: Um, I do see Mr. Mcgregor would like to work again. You're welcome to comment Mr. Mcgregor.

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Bruce MacGregor: The proposed height is about double the existing height. In addition, the scale is very large, It goes back a long ways, as it as a two-story house if we talked about this earlier in the meeting with uh on in our terrace, and I think the same

874
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Bruce MacGregor: the same parameters would apply here.

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Bruce MacGregor: They're different,

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Bruce MacGregor: and it sits on the hill, The houses and back, and the houses to the side of it are not on a hill houses across the street or not on the heel,

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Heather Shuster: and and there are a lot of trades that some of it, and all of specimen trees on this site.

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Bruce MacGregor: I mean, there's a lot of

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Heather Shuster: the tree and site plan is going to have to come through historic again, so

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dave price: we will see another application on this, because

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Heather Shuster: the whole site plan is going to have to

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Heather Shuster: come through. Um, So I don't think we need to comment too much on it today,

883
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Heather Shuster: because we haven't seen it. Um, we're not approving. Any vegetation changes. Any tree changes because they're not part of this application.

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Heather Shuster: They will, because they have to be in the future that has to be part of the ultimate permit on this job.

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Matt Stoddard: So right now, all he's asking for is for us to agree. He can demo the house. Is that right?

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Heather Shuster: He's asking for demo and approval of the plan that has been proposed? So the building has proposed.

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Jon Hart: I would want to see a right side

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Jon Hart: you shouldn't comparison,

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Jon Hart: and maybe that's in the application. I'm not finding it,

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dave price: I can do that. It's not in there compared to the existing house.

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dave price: Yeah, the the idea is that it's It's the same depth uh along that side uh, and

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Jon Hart: we like having adding a second floor, and we can. I can lower the the

893
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Jon Hart: which is good.

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Jon Hart: But I would just want to see that comparison

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Jon Hart: to that right side elevation.

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dave price: Oh, oh, are you, uh, are you mentioning it? Including the existing rear addition? That is because I I usually kind of put that out of my mind because it's so discordant. But um should I?

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Jon Hart: Whether you're driving by it or looking at it on Street View, or both,

898
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Jon Hart: encompass what

899
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Jon Hart: the existing there? There's just no existing elevation shown in the drawings because it's going to be demolished. Um,

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Jon Hart: but that's what I would want to try to compare

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Jon Hart: is is the the differences in height? Just some of the things that you would do on a renovation plan.

902
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Jon Hart: Don't seem to be in this application

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right

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Matt Stoddard: things that jumbled mess. There's like three or four structures. It looks like, I mean,

905
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Jon Hart: Yeah. And I don't care about the the pertinent. I don't care about the the other buildings. It's just the main,

906
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Jon Hart: the Burlington elevation

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Jon Hart: existing, and proposed

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what

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Matt Stoddard: concern about the height and the size of the of the structure you're proposing short of that, i'm fine with everything you're doing, and i'm happy to hear Heather say that you have to come through again with some sort of tree site plan.

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Matt Stoddard: But

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Matt Stoddard: if others

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dave price: sorry, Go ahead, sir. Yeah, we're fully willing to do that. Uh, absolutely understand that that site sketch was um was not enough to uh to address this. The the tree situation in particular. Uh, and it's really just uh,

913
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dave price: we need to know if we're going to be able to demolish this uh, because we can't go forward with without that knowledge,

914
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dave price: and both the the build back and the demolition were recommended for approval.

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Cool,

916
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Matt Stoddard: if you'd like.

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Matt Stoddard: I don't know if others are here with me. I'm okay with. I will make a motion to demolish the house and to deny the rest, as we need more information

918
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Matt Stoddard: uh deny or defer. What would you prefer to deny? Or the first, sir?

919
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Matt Stoddard: Oh, uh, I I can I'd I'd be fine with deferral on the uh the other part, if that's if that's a possibility.

920
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Suzanne Aloisio: I live directly across the street from the house. And um i'm wondering about keeping the existing carport. Um, i'm wondering why, and it's not very attractive. So I just wondered

921
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Suzanne Aloisio: about that. And also are you able to tell us who the owner is of the house

922
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Heather Shuster: We, Personally, I don't know um.

923
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dave price: Whatever is on public record is what's available there. It's It's on the um. The um can't think of her name right now. Uh, but it's on the um the application.

924
02:11:28.220 --> 02:11:36.719
Suzanne Aloisio: Well, he died so he wouldn't be the owner Now it would be his. So whomever the home was left to,

925
02:11:36.970 --> 02:11:47.249
Heather Shuster: but I believe there are folks interested in purchasing it, and that's part of what's going on, because our are you the client of the estate, Mr. Price.

926
02:11:47.920 --> 02:12:07.049
dave price: Uh I'm. The client of my client is the the folks that are hoping to build uh uh what we're hoping is going to be a renovation. But we have found that we can't build on this uh, so potential buyers are engaging you to see what can be done with the property.

927
02:12:08.210 --> 02:12:12.140
Suzanne Aloisio: And what about the carport. Can you tell us why you're getting that?

928
02:12:12.250 --> 02:12:30.080
dave price: Uh? It's really because it's uh It's nice to have extra space there. It's something that is that we don't have to uh do anything to and and uh, and it's easier just to leave something there. Uh, uh, I I don't know. If uh

929
02:12:30.880 --> 02:12:39.260
dave price: Is it something that people would prefer that it was torn down? Um! It is not historic, I believe. So. It probably doesn't really make a

930
02:12:39.520 --> 02:12:47.939
Heather Shuster: a difference as far as the Hpc. Is concerned. But, uh, we've we've got enough to talk about without.

931
02:12:47.950 --> 02:13:06.329
Bruce MacGregor: Well, we'll stay there uh Mr. Mcgregor. What did you have? Another question. Yes, with the addition of the car port and the drive on the garage. You've got four entry ways coming off Berlin in place, and it's not clear to me that you need four inch of waste. I don't know anybody else that has two to double.

932
02:13:06.550 --> 02:13:10.390
Bruce MacGregor: In fact, two double uh driveways on one site

933
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Bruce MacGregor: and the drive under garage, and maybe too close to the uh intersection. I'm not sure but it it's just saying like there's a lot of problems on this on this property.

934
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Heather Shuster: Uh, is there a site plan that shows all that?

935
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Bruce MacGregor: No,

936
02:13:26.700 --> 02:13:43.210
dave price: yes, there's a site sketch that um That shows the uh the setbacks. It's just based on the the Gis map, the county map. Uh. So it shows how the existing

937
02:13:43.610 --> 02:13:45.530
Jon Hart: it doesn't show the existing

938
02:13:47.060 --> 02:13:49.030
Jon Hart: that I guess would be retained.

939
02:13:50.020 --> 02:13:57.830
Jon Hart: It does have a cardboard on there, right? So yeah, this is the airport, but not the driveway to get to it.

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02:13:58.480 --> 02:14:09.569
dave price: Yeah, it's It's like five feet from the from the edge of the road to the carport.

941
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dave price: Well, no, the yeah. The house now is about uh fourteen feet, thirteen or fourteen feet from the from the street, and we're uh

942
02:14:21.110 --> 02:14:32.000
dave price: as I have on the site plan, we're supposed to be eighteen feet away uh per the current zoning. So we're gonna. That's why we're shifting the house to the north.

943
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Matt Stoddard: The The zoning code calls for a front yard set back on all streets. This is not supposed to be a discussion between Mr. Gregor and Mr. Price. Okay, this is a discussion between us trying to decide whether to approve the plan

944
02:14:51.090 --> 02:14:52.969
Jon Hart: problem that we're not

945
02:14:53.190 --> 02:14:58.439
Jon Hart: visualizing that there are actually two job ways on Berlin.

946
02:14:59.480 --> 02:15:00.610
Jon Hart: Um.

947
02:15:01.650 --> 02:15:05.390
Jon Hart: And honestly, I have no idea if that's allowable,

948
02:15:05.450 --> 02:15:12.570
Jon Hart: not allowable, I'm flipping back and forth between Google Street View and the site plan. But

949
02:15:14.440 --> 02:15:22.360
dave price: there are two there now, actually, uh the one that goes to the car port, and Then there's another. Uh,

950
02:15:22.710 --> 02:15:30.120
dave price: if you look down at some of my pictures, it shows the other uh like It's It's basically a one car uh pull off.

951
02:15:30.250 --> 02:15:33.070
dave price: That is where we would be uh

952
02:15:33.340 --> 02:15:35.699
Jon Hart: that curb cut.

953
02:15:36.660 --> 02:15:41.929
Heather Shuster: I think we might need to just take this one to the point of emotion for

954
02:15:41.960 --> 02:15:44.200
Heather Shuster: demolition, which I think

955
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Heather Shuster: it's worth getting the vote from the team. My question. We need to see our oversight plan and a proper

956
02:15:51.630 --> 02:16:11.069
Heather Shuster: full execution of documents on the new build that is proposed. And you've heard feedback from the team on some of the concerns that we have. We're concerned with the scaling we're concerned with the ridge height. We're concerned with access points, so please take all of that into consideration. Um, but i'm going to recommend that

957
02:16:11.080 --> 02:16:18.860
Heather Shuster: we kind of move on with the motion from the commission. I believe I made a motion. Mr. Price, did you say that you'd be okay with deferring the rest?

958
02:16:19.100 --> 02:16:20.170
dave price: Yes,

959
02:16:20.240 --> 02:16:23.940
Matt Stoddard: so I make a motion to approve the demolition and to further rest.

960
02:16:24.300 --> 02:16:26.309
Heather Shuster: Thank you, Matt. Do we have a second?

961
02:16:28.940 --> 02:16:30.450
leslie spencer: I'll second it.

962
02:16:30.470 --> 02:16:34.369
Heather Shuster: Thank you, Leslie. We will take that to vote, John.

963
02:16:34.760 --> 02:16:36.629
Matt Stoddard: Yes,

964
02:16:36.760 --> 02:16:37.949
Heather Shuster: Leslie,

965
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Heather Shuster: yes, and I will go. Yes, so you are approved on demolition. Uh, I would not demo it until you have an approval on your new build.

966
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Matt Stoddard: Thank you.

967
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Heather Shuster: And Rachel. I'm sorry I I kind of.

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RACHEL BRAGG: I got lost. What were you trying to tell us there? No, no, I was I was trying to say that I thought that there was a motion on the floor.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Thank you

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02:17:14.010 --> 02:17:17.119
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: all right. Application and

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: four fifty-two Bridge Crest road application is for demolition of a house and construction of a new residence. Um! This property is a non historic

972
02:17:27.840 --> 02:17:29.609
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: resource.

973
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The proposed scope of work is to demolish the not historic house, including front stairs and driveway

974
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: install, a new concrete paper driveway to the north of the house.

975
02:17:41.400 --> 02:17:46.419
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The new driveway will be approximately the in the same location as the Old

976
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: and Um, a new concrete drive. I will be constructed to the south of the new house.

977
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The applicant is looking to install a new fence and driveway gate.

978
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're looking to remove the existing front walkway and install a real line, four foot concrete paper walk

979
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: that extends from the driveway to the new porch.

980
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: They're looking to construct the new house in the um English vernacular revival style. Um. The structure will be two stories, with brick veneer cladding, and a gable group.

981
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The roof will be had in, as well as shingles, and have deck mounted skylights.

982
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The gable ends on the left and right elevation will be cloud with half timbering, using hardy panels.

983
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Portions of the left and right elevation will also be glad with half timbering treatment.

984
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A single story mask that projects from the rear of the house will function as an attached garage.

985
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The attached garage will be clad in woodlock siding, and we'll have a gable roof clad in as well.

986
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: A half timber shed Group Dormer will be located on the right elevation of that group.

987
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The garage door will be on the rear elevation. Um, and also on that rear elevation. Half tempering treatment will be in the cable end.

988
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um Additionally, the applicant is proposing to construct a new detached garage.

989
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: The proposed detached garage will have a concrete slab foundation with lap siding, and a gable roof.

990
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um The gable ends. We'll have half timber treatment. Um, and one garage door will be located on the left. Elevation

991
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Staff is recommending um approval, as the structures are non um historic, and the scope would comply um with the demolition guidelines.

992
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Um

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: staff is also looking to um,

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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: recommending approved approval with modification for the fence location. It should be pushed back to the rear of the side elevation for guideline. Nine point four

995
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DANIELLE MCKISSIC: um and staff is recommending approval of the rest of the application, as it does not appear to have a substantial Ad.

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Heather Shuster: Alright, Thank you. Is the applicant here to speak on behalf of the project.

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John Sitton: Yes, i'm. Here this is John sitting

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Heather Shuster: alright. Please go right ahead.

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02:20:33.650 --> 02:20:35.039
John Sitton: Oh, um!

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John Sitton: The existing structures and bad shape It's a pretty well deteriorated and falling apart. There's photos are provided of that um front and rear of the house, showing that, and it's um

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02:20:47.160 --> 02:20:48.340
John Sitton: um.

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02:20:49.330 --> 02:20:51.129
John Sitton: So basically uh

1003
02:20:51.770 --> 02:20:56.550
John Sitton: um, you're identified early. That done me and tear it down

1004
02:20:56.570 --> 02:20:58.730
John Sitton: uh due to extensive water damage.

1005
02:20:58.960 --> 02:21:00.339
John Sitton: And um!

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02:21:01.180 --> 02:21:12.929
John Sitton: So this new uh house, uh proposed is so call it a story and a half uh we do we? We we're trying to keep it. Um! There's also kind of a Uh Street scape

1007
02:21:13.080 --> 02:21:23.090
John Sitton: diagram provided. Shows the scale of the house relative to Jason structures site plan shows the set back of the house relative to the adjacent structures.

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02:21:23.770 --> 02:21:24.910
John Sitton: Um!

1009
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John Sitton: And then um!

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John Sitton: I think everything else is covered in in the staff report as far as the description.

1011
02:21:32.510 --> 02:21:33.610
John Sitton: Um,

1012
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John Sitton: see there? The only questions we got from the staff was about um

1013
02:21:39.920 --> 02:21:48.019
John Sitton: tree removal. The original cycle I submitted had two trees that are against very close to the root of all existing house. Um

1014
02:21:49.060 --> 02:21:51.629
John Sitton: uh, one of them is

1015
02:21:51.870 --> 02:21:52.890
John Sitton: uh

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John Sitton: disease

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John Sitton: dying? Um, yeah, there's a large pine tree even closer to that. So pictures are provided as well. They're within the global area, and and the footprint of the new home extends farther back than the existing home. Uh, proposed residents, anyway.

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02:22:09.460 --> 02:22:12.199
John Sitton: So um, you know. Sorry to cut those down.

1019
02:22:12.480 --> 02:22:15.719
John Sitton: Um, but that's within the um,

1020
02:22:16.180 --> 02:22:18.130
John Sitton: you know. Allow by the tree ordinance.

1021
02:22:18.330 --> 02:22:19.480
John Sitton: Um!

1022
02:22:20.020 --> 02:22:21.340
John Sitton: Let's see

1023
02:22:24.690 --> 02:22:27.270
John Sitton: that covers it as far as um

1024
02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:28.660
John Sitton: the

1025
02:22:28.990 --> 02:22:30.920
John Sitton: What's the wording? Um

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looking at the staff report

1027
02:22:34.150 --> 02:22:35.289
John Sitton: the

1028
02:22:36.320 --> 02:22:39.089
John Sitton: Well, we're asking for approval at all

1029
02:22:39.110 --> 02:22:45.859
John Sitton: of the entire um scope described, including the driveway gate and fences. It's uh shown on the site Plan

1030
02:22:45.900 --> 02:22:51.589
John Sitton: I um provided a detail on the request of staff what that would look like.

1031
02:22:51.910 --> 02:22:52.949
John Sitton: Um,

1032
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John Sitton: um,

1033
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John Sitton: which is kind of a typical price. But the driveway gate um is set back from the front elevation or Sorry, the front corner of the house

1034
02:23:10.450 --> 02:23:19.280
John Sitton: a good ways, and, in fact, farther back than the facade of the adjacent structure. So they refer to Section nine point four

1035
02:23:19.330 --> 02:23:26.909
John Sitton: um of the design guidelines. But um, I interpret it differently. Um, what the guidelines says uh,

1036
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John Sitton: and that quote is fences and walls should not be built in front yard spaces.

1037
02:23:32.110 --> 02:23:33.210
John Sitton: Um!

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John Sitton: And

1039
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John Sitton: the goal

1040
02:23:37.000 --> 02:23:40.980
John Sitton: See, this is paraphrasing, but the goal um

1041
02:23:41.510 --> 02:23:44.250
John Sitton: of this this section

1042
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John Sitton: is that private front. Our spaces are visually connected together. They can create you the continuous landscape. So we don't believe that this fence being set back from the corner uh does anything. Dinner up the um

1043
02:23:56.710 --> 02:23:58.919
John Sitton: the streets of the landscape?

1044
02:23:59.490 --> 02:24:09.230
John Sitton: Um! It's provided as a means of um security. There's a side entrance door on the house, and that side The parking. Our driveway extends past that gate line,

1045
02:24:09.260 --> 02:24:12.319
John Sitton: and so this would allow the cars to be parked behind the gate.

1046
02:24:12.480 --> 02:24:16.029
John Sitton: Um! And believe that that's actually a benefit

1047
02:24:16.270 --> 02:24:17.440
John Sitton: um

1048
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John Sitton: to uh. And this would be guest cars, basically um, or an occasional owner car,

1049
02:24:23.650 --> 02:24:27.420
John Sitton: because the other at other parking can be access from any um

1050
02:24:27.550 --> 02:24:29.360
John Sitton: from the alley at the rear.

1051
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John Sitton: I think that's it.

1052
02:24:33.280 --> 02:24:34.789
Heather Shuster: Alright. Thank you.

1053
02:24:35.190 --> 02:24:40.210
Heather Shuster: Do we have any neighbors that wish to speak for against the application.

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Damian Kavanagh: Thanks. I appreciate it. I think there are about five neighbors on the call. Uh if they made it to the end. Um! Most of us are from Lake Clare, the next neighborhood over Um, and not sure how to comment on the appropriateness of the home to the to the Hpc.

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Damian Kavanagh: Mit Ctl. And but the proposed driveway off of Mcclendon is, we feel it's, disruptive, and has an adverse effect on the existing homes. What's listed as an alley in the plans has been a driveway that terminates at the property line one hundred and fifty

1056
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Damian Kavanagh: mit ctl. And hadn't been used as a driveway in my ten years of living here, and to my knowledge it might have been abandoned as an alley forty to fifty years ago, or it could have been abandoned. Well before that time one hundred and fifty

1057
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Damian Kavanagh: Yeah, Do have a few. I'm again. I'm not sure if this is appropriate to the Hbc. I do have a few pictures that show that driveway off of Mcclendon if you're interested in seeing it. Um! But I also recognize that it's eight, fifteen, and there are at least three or four other uh folks neighbors that might want to speak as well.

1058
02:25:40.170 --> 02:25:41.080
Okay,

1059
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Heather Shuster: Thank you.

1060
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Andrew Douglas: Yeah. We We want to jump in on that point as well. We're run at four hundred and thirty-two ridge crest just to the south of this property um you know we're right on the city line, So we're the last house in Atlanta. The city line stops uh at the north of our property, and you know this is part of the abandoned Atlanta city alley system.

1061
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Andrew Douglas: Uh, and to our knowledge uh, you know that Ally has never been used as a through way beyond the city line.

1062
02:26:12.680 --> 02:26:24.820
Andrew Douglas: Um! And you know if the owner at four, fifty-two was gonna try to access that alley offense would need to come down. I mean This is a pretty dramatic re configuration of the property.

1063
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Andrew Douglas: Um. Every other property in the Druid Hills jurisdiction on Ridge Press, moving all the way down to Uh Ponts

1064
02:26:34.010 --> 02:27:03.190
Andrew Douglas: Um has a front driveway uh from Ridge crested, many of which go around the side of the house. So you know we don't quite understand what the rationale is for this reconfiguration, and it would disrupt um, You know longstanding land use practices in the city of Atlanta, and would adversely affect for property owners in the city of Atlanta.

1065
02:27:03.200 --> 02:27:07.760
Andrew Douglas: Um. So i'll stop there and let my my neighbors weigh in as well.

1066
02:27:07.790 --> 02:27:09.140
Heather Shuster: All right. Thank you.

1067
02:27:09.320 --> 02:27:10.740
Heather Shuster: Uh, Steven.

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Steven Georgalis: Hi! I thought I turn on video, too, because just talking to a to a letter, it's horrible. Hi, um! I look just down the street as well. I was actually excited that something is finally happening to that house, because it's been sad to see it uh fall apart for uh fifteen years. Um, if not longer. Um!

1069
02:27:31.110 --> 02:27:36.939
Steven Georgalis: That being said, I was a little concerned when I saw the presented plans for

1070
02:27:36.960 --> 02:27:57.969
Steven Georgalis: their proposed structure. Uh, it's a little odd because it's already been mentioned. It's not historic, but we have to take a couple of things into account. Um, at least about the character of the neighborhood. Uh, Andrew uh did bring up. It's a very good point, and I think if you're going to um, you're going to attach to the back and cut through the city line, which I don't know of any house that has ever done that

1071
02:27:57.990 --> 02:28:02.339
Steven Georgalis: along the entire boundary between the cab county and the city of Atlanta,

1072
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Steven Georgalis: then you should at least address the other Neighbors Association. I'm not sure if they have, uh, because it definitely directly affects that Neighbor Association as well as through it helps. Now, for on the corner of Druid hills. Um, then, uh, you actually have to look

1073
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Steven Georgalis: a little bit for precedence within at least that block. So if we're looking at the uh, What is that? The west side of of that block between Mcclendon? Sorry that would be yeah between Mcclendon and then Rich Crest Court. So we're looking at Ridge Crest Road, the entire six houses that are on there. We're taking what is now

1074
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Steven Georgalis: currently the smallest, narrowest, shortest house, and making it the tallest, widest, deepest house out of the entire block. So there is something to be said about that. And now we're having two garages, one that is attached versus most of the houses here have

1075
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Steven Georgalis: one garage. Um. The ones that on the Druid hillside are a small detached garage, and then the ones on the Atlanta side either have no garage, or there is one, you know, access from this alley that we're talking about, but

1076
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Steven Georgalis: seems like this is a grab for anything and everything two garages uh at a half level that could have probably been tucked underneath like the other ones. But I don't need to get into the architectural style too much, but i'm just really concerned that we're turning the smallest house in the block into the biggest house without even taking consideration to the neighbors to the South that it wants to connect to.

1077
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Heather Shuster: Alright. Thank you, Katie.

1078
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Katy Berry: Uh yes, thank you for taking my call. So I um I live at twenty one thirty-two Mcclendon Avenue, which in my property backs up to the property that would be constructed fit.

1079
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Katy Berry: Um.

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Katy Berry: I just wanted to um talk about the character of the neighborhood, and how this driveway that we share with three homes is has really been a play yard for several children, and it would really disrupt that you know, knowing that there are two garages that would be built on this property to suggest that the amount of flow of traffic that would be flowing down

1081
02:30:11.520 --> 02:30:27.399
Katy Berry: What was a play yard for our kids? And now, turning into more of a a street, you know, and very concerned about what that's going to do for our neighborhood. Um, and it just doesn't seem necessary when there is already a driveway

1082
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Katy Berry: that's easily successful on rich crest. So that's my main complaint there. Um, i'm happy to see that this home is going to be, you know, turned into something nice, and um, you know

1083
02:30:41.680 --> 02:30:49.840
Katy Berry: we welcome the new people to the neighborhood. But we don't want to disrupt this camaraderie that we already have going on.

1084
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Thank you.

1085
02:30:52.330 --> 02:31:08.489
Roger Brinson: Hi! This is Roger and Bridson. If I could add one more comment, i'm um the neighbor to the north of this property, so i'm actually they do it. Hills resident um, and I agree with everything that everybody has set up at this point I have concerns about. Uh

1086
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Roger Brinson: why, to access points of the house. Why is there a second garage? Why would you need two garages? I'm concerned about? What is the floor plan for that second Uh independent Grant, And is that possibility of something that's going to be used for like a separate apartment or an Airbnb, or something like that.

1087
02:31:26.860 --> 02:31:45.909
Roger Brinson: Uh, also you've got the the driveway, offer Ridge Crest. There's no reason why you could not continue to to use that to a driveway also concerns about the scale the footprint. Um, that uh, that a previous person mentioned uh, with the height, you know, making it the biggest

1088
02:31:45.920 --> 02:31:55.969
Roger Brinson: house and that part of on that side of the street for the Druid hillside. Um, not only in footprint, but also in height. I've got all those concerns as well. So I urge you

1089
02:31:56.090 --> 02:32:06.910
Roger Brinson: uh the Commission as you vote to uh to to deny this um this application, Thank you,

1090
02:32:08.030 --> 02:32:11.800
John Sitton: you know. Respond to a a number of those comments. Bank

1091
02:32:12.630 --> 02:32:15.110
Heather Shuster: Um, yes, you may.

1092
02:32:16.240 --> 02:32:17.340
John Sitton: Um.

1093
02:32:17.800 --> 02:32:18.980
John Sitton: So

1094
02:32:19.100 --> 02:32:20.419
John Sitton: first of all,

1095
02:32:20.570 --> 02:32:25.399
John Sitton: Um! There is quite a bit of rationale justification for the access points.

1096
02:32:25.420 --> 02:32:26.510
John Sitton: Um!

1097
02:32:26.970 --> 02:32:32.880
John Sitton: I can go into that um, or how much time I have. But the um,

1098
02:32:33.450 --> 02:32:42.009
John Sitton: you know, in order to reduce lot coverage and to negotiate uh from the street to a garage it's required to be at the rear of the property.

1099
02:32:42.030 --> 02:32:48.310
John Sitton: The driveway uh record cut at Ridge Crest. You know the goal is to keep that driveway as short as possible.

1100
02:32:48.390 --> 02:32:51.989
John Sitton: Um! This alley. It's um

1101
02:32:52.300 --> 02:33:11.899
John Sitton: it is. It is actually an alley. It's not a part of any of those People's Um! There's a joiner's prop home properties. There's never abandoned foli or claim others by those some properties. So um that property those properties. I'm sorry. This property, those properties, this alli, all existed before uh the city of land incorporated this area.

1102
02:33:11.910 --> 02:33:19.920
John Sitton: So this is all pre dating um, predating that so any reference to Atlanta, and so on. I don't really understand um

1103
02:33:20.400 --> 02:33:30.789
John Sitton: As far as you know, all these people use this, this, this driveway currently for cars, and what we're talking about is a single family residence with the maximum of two cars. It might be using that alley.

1104
02:33:30.940 --> 02:33:39.810
John Sitton: So the two garages are actually two single bay garages, one attached to the house to kind of mostly use. The other one is more of a workshop, or

1105
02:33:40.190 --> 02:33:56.189
John Sitton: if you want to call it a sheet, that's what it is. It's program. Call for a, you know, a little workspace, or or or or our area. Um, it is drawing we're provided that shows the footprint of that. There's absolutely no intention or or or

1106
02:33:56.200 --> 02:34:03.050
John Sitton: to to to have it with plumbing, or or any way they'd be us as an apartment or as a separate residence or a to you

1107
02:34:03.230 --> 02:34:04.380
John Sitton: um

1108
02:34:04.520 --> 02:34:05.690
John Sitton: let's see

1109
02:34:06.280 --> 02:34:11.019
John Sitton: the um the fence they refer to in the alley is actually a fence that was put up

1110
02:34:11.040 --> 02:34:23.070
John Sitton: between the last applications. Property, which is at the beginning this year, where that in The application also showed a detached garage, a driveway access from that alley, and in reaction to that they put up the fence

1111
02:34:23.180 --> 02:34:27.749
John Sitton: so prior to that time there wasn't a fence in the alley between the

1112
02:34:27.770 --> 02:34:33.669
John Sitton: and the staff property line on Four point five, two ridge crest. They have no way of knowing or proving that

1113
02:34:33.820 --> 02:34:46.479
John Sitton: that this was never used for access to the property. This prop rich crest, four, five, two, and and lots north of it, or part of a larger parcel. The The alley ran along. We actually actually the sally comes off from Mcclellan,

1114
02:34:46.650 --> 02:35:00.959
John Sitton: hits the south line of four hundred and fifty. Two ridge crest turns left and continues to the west and northwest. Um, So how it was used previously, and and so on. I think it's a little bit Um, I think it's a lot of guessing going on there

1115
02:35:00.970 --> 02:35:20.690
John Sitton: um as far as land use practices, you know. They're enjoying. You see Alley as a joiners and and do their adjacent to the alley, and that's what we're requesting as well. I think that's fair. We think that uh it's an exaggeration to have you know. Say, there's a new to traffic. They use it. They drive back and forth. Um, we're talking about a car or two cars

1116
02:35:20.700 --> 02:35:21.889
on occasion.

1117
02:35:22.010 --> 02:35:23.110
John Sitton: Um,

1118
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John Sitton: So these garages again, or or single bay garages. That's why there's two of them. Um! One would probably not even be us as a garage. That was not part of the program. It was like, I said, at the a workspace like a workshop space. Um, I think this house is is to consider one and a half stories, so you know there was an effort made to keep the roof as low as possible.

1119
02:35:43.190 --> 02:35:49.280
John Sitton: The second floor um plan shows the amount of addict space, or or uh

1120
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John Sitton: for area below uh five and a half foot head height,

1121
02:35:53.670 --> 02:36:09.169
John Sitton: um in the front elevation. There's no, you know, large windows or or um, or anything like that, and then the side elevations Um! Those windows are limited to the gables in the form, and um every all the other roof lines are kept low intentionally

1122
02:36:09.560 --> 02:36:26.460
Heather Shuster: probably exceeded your five minutes. I mean they. They just through a lot of stuff that you guys can thank you. And can I say? One more thing is, I don't not right. Now. If the Commission wishes to ask the question, we will, but in fairness to every applicant we try to minimize it and keep it five minutes equally.

1123
02:36:26.700 --> 02:36:32.460
Heather Shuster: All right, Commission members, if there are any questions, feel free, otherwise uh anyone can make a motion.

1124
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Matt Stoddard: I'm. Speaking to the other Commission members. Um,

1125
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Matt Stoddard: I would agree with the problem with the alley being uses a driveway. If you look at our guidelines,

1126
02:36:51.640 --> 02:36:56.799
Matt Stoddard: we have a guideline nine point five which talks about um.

1127
02:36:57.010 --> 02:37:15.979
Matt Stoddard: Use the pathway of original drives and parking. Clearly there is an original driveway for this house on rich view. I think it is rich. Press. Excuse me, and that is the way that it was there before I I tend to think I have no problem with demoing this house. It's a non historic structure. We're supposed to allow the demo of it.

1128
02:37:15.990 --> 02:37:25.119
Matt Stoddard: Um! But I do think that it would violate our guidelines to allow people to access the property in a way that is not already being accessed.

1129
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Matt Stoddard: So I have that problem. Um.

1130
02:37:29.080 --> 02:37:30.570
Matt Stoddard: Secondly,

1131
02:37:31.050 --> 02:37:48.949
Matt Stoddard: I have some concerns about the size, although i'm not sure how much it does look like. One Out to one side is a two story structure on the other side looks like a one and a half, and it looks like a one. Clearly they can go to at least one and a half. It may be able to go to two, depending on just how big it is.

1132
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Matt Stoddard: Heather, John Leslie, what are your thoughts

1133
02:37:55.110 --> 02:38:01.579
Heather Shuster: actually not too upset about the scale of the proposed building. In looking down the street

1134
02:38:02.270 --> 02:38:10.909
Heather Shuster: there are homes that are two story. There are homes that have heights like this. It differs from the existing um

1135
02:38:11.670 --> 02:38:17.920
Heather Shuster: I i'm i'm not overly concerned there, John or Leslie. Further thoughts.

1136
02:38:20.250 --> 02:38:21.330
Jon Hart: Um,

1137
02:38:21.380 --> 02:38:24.950
Jon Hart: I agree with your take on, I mean

1138
02:38:25.130 --> 02:38:38.549
Jon Hart: I didn't know that there was an ordinance about there. There was a guideline about the driveway, but that makes even more sense. I just kinda inherently didn't think it was the right connection to me. Um,

1139
02:38:40.420 --> 02:38:45.329
Jon Hart: otherwise I don't. I'm not. I don't see the host of the house being uh

1140
02:38:46.750 --> 02:38:50.279
Jon Hart: disproportionate to the other houses in the in the area.

1141
02:38:54.120 --> 02:38:59.809
Heather Shuster: Yeah, I was gonna say I didn't know about the um

1142
02:39:00.950 --> 02:39:15.379
leslie spencer: the driveway as far as um accessing property, and a way that it um the ordinance about access and property, and the way that it's not been accessed before. But it's for the demolition of the house goes. I don't have a problem with it. It's not historic.

1143
02:39:17.500 --> 02:39:19.020
Heather Shuster: Yeah, I think

1144
02:39:20.570 --> 02:39:30.929
Heather Shuster: I think you've got a real issue with the driveway. And if you've got a really the second driveway, and if you've got a real issue with the second driveway. That garage that's attached to the house becomes

1145
02:39:31.360 --> 02:39:33.619
Heather Shuster: pretty problematic for the homeowner.

1146
02:39:33.800 --> 02:39:35.170
Heather Shuster: Um!

1147
02:39:35.830 --> 02:39:47.400
Matt Stoddard: Seems like if we are a problem with the driveway. It's kind of hard to approve anything other than the demolition, right? Because the home, as designed utilizes the back driver.

1148
02:39:48.480 --> 02:40:02.890
Heather Shuster: Is that fair? Yes, as Well, I mean the site plan has to be approved through other permitting offices that are going to have all this conversation as well, and may not approve uh the driveway and proposals there.

1149
02:40:06.910 --> 02:40:07.900
Well,

1150
02:40:09.710 --> 02:40:11.449
Matt Stoddard: my thought is, then

1151
02:40:11.650 --> 02:40:14.330
Matt Stoddard: let do other folks have stuff they want

1152
02:40:14.480 --> 02:40:16.449
Matt Stoddard: to say commissioners.

1153
02:40:18.400 --> 02:40:22.829
Matt Stoddard: I I would make a motion to approve the demolition of the home,

1154
02:40:22.910 --> 02:40:25.009
Matt Stoddard: and to deny

1155
02:40:25.080 --> 02:40:26.060
the

1156
02:40:26.150 --> 02:40:30.500
Matt Stoddard: everything else in this application. Um!

1157
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Matt Stoddard: For the following reasons: The application violates a guidelines nine point, one nine, point five and nine point six concerning how you access the property. And since you're accessing the property the back way, it no longer makes sense, and it's going to have to be Redone.

1158
02:40:49.470 --> 02:40:51.000
Heather Shuster: We have a second.

1159
02:40:54.860 --> 02:40:56.210
Jon Hart: Yeah, I'll second there.

1160
02:40:56.310 --> 02:40:59.669
Heather Shuster: Thank you, John. We'll put it to vote, Leslie.

1161
02:41:01.040 --> 02:41:02.110
leslie spencer: Yes,

1162
02:41:02.160 --> 02:41:07.569
Heather Shuster: John, and I also vote. Yes,

1163
02:41:08.790 --> 02:41:18.730
Heather Shuster: thank you, for the application. Always encourage folks to speak with staff. I don't think you're far away from an approved drawing. Just some modifications need to be made

1164
02:41:23.660 --> 02:41:27.800
Heather Shuster: all right. We will move on to our next item on the agenda.

1165
02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:38.679
DANIELLE MCKISSIC: Alright, So our next item would be to approve minutes.

1166
02:41:39.810 --> 02:41:49.380
RACHEL BRAGG: Rachel, Do we have enough people that have been to these meetings a whole mighty backlog of July, August, and September? Um.

1167
02:41:50.970 --> 02:41:52.999
RACHEL BRAGG: I I don't know.

1168
02:41:53.090 --> 02:42:09.690
leslie spencer: See if you're, I guess, See of your name.

1169
02:42:09.990 --> 02:42:16.550
Matt Stoddard: I I feel comfortable with July and August. Certainly. Uh, you give me a moment. I I may be able to make a question on those

1170
02:42:18.530 --> 02:42:21.299
Heather Shuster: I know. I missed one of them.

1171
02:42:22.690 --> 02:42:25.049
leslie spencer: I think that was here for all of them.

1172
02:42:26.190 --> 02:42:29.719
RACHEL BRAGG: Yeah, I I was gonna be my guest to Leslie.

1173
02:42:31.500 --> 02:42:40.599
leslie spencer: Yes, all of them. I was here for so good, Leslie.

1174
02:42:41.510 --> 02:42:51.359
leslie spencer: You see the data, data, grade and paper. So I choose this. It's slightly better, slightly less painful. Yeah.

1175
02:42:51.410 --> 02:43:00.390
Heather Shuster: Okay. Um. I was not there for August, Nor was John. So it's only Matt and Leslie. Where is that sufficient?

1176
02:43:01.070 --> 02:43:02.339
leslie spencer: Sure,

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RACHEL BRAGG: Yeah, we'll count it.

1178
02:43:04.960 --> 02:43:05.850
Okay,

1179
02:43:06.590 --> 02:43:14.269
Heather Shuster: let's start with July. So everyone please read through and and make a motion.

1180
02:43:21.280 --> 02:43:32.660
leslie spencer: I will make a motion to approve the minutes for August, or are we on July

1181
02:43:34.920 --> 02:43:37.859
Matt Stoddard: will in a moment give me one second

1182
02:44:02.060 --> 02:44:05.189
Matt Stoddard: I can approve. I second the July mission.

1183
02:44:05.680 --> 02:44:13.110
Heather Shuster: Thank you. We will take that one to vote. Um, John

1184
02:44:13.260 --> 02:44:16.460
leslie spencer: Leslie. Yes, I approved it.

1185
02:44:17.220 --> 02:44:26.659
Heather Shuster: Thank you, Matt. I also approve. July minutes are approved. We will move on to August.

1186
02:44:30.220 --> 02:44:34.380
Heather Shuster: Same routine whenever anyone is ready to make a motion

1187
02:44:42.130 --> 02:44:46.129
leslie spencer: I will make a motion to approve. August

1188
02:44:46.560 --> 02:44:49.250
leslie spencer: historic.

1189
02:44:49.500 --> 02:44:50.830
Heather Shuster: You, Leslie.

1190
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Heather Shuster: Thank you, Matt. You will be the only two voting on this. So, Leslie, I approve. Matt and John and Heather both did not attend and abstain

1191
02:45:06.910 --> 02:45:11.160
Heather Shuster: and final vote for September.

1192
02:45:39.250 --> 02:45:43.030
leslie spencer: I also need to approve the minutes from

1193
02:45:43.170 --> 02:45:47.119
leslie spencer: this is

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02:45:47.400 --> 02:45:49.869
leslie spencer: sorry. Scroll past it. September.

1195
02:45:51.740 --> 02:45:58.769
Heather Shuster: Um. And I will second that because you and I were the only one here, this group.

1196
02:45:59.050 --> 02:46:00.300
Heather Shuster: So,

1197
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Heather Shuster: Leslie.

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leslie spencer: I approve of these minutes

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Heather Shuster: as do I. Matt and John will abstain if they were not in attendance.

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Heather Shuster: September minutes are approved. You guys did miss the best meeting ever. Everything was approved really fast. September meeting was amazing. It was brief. Everything was approved. Yeah,

1201
02:46:26.160 --> 02:46:27.359
Jon Hart: well done,

1202
02:46:28.790 --> 02:46:32.900
Heather Shuster: uh, Now we are on to old or new business.

1203
02:46:34.220 --> 02:46:40.149
RACHEL BRAGG: Do we have any old business? We should have a um revised landscape

1204
02:46:40.590 --> 02:46:44.139
RACHEL BRAGG: design, guideline shortly. That is in progress.

1205
02:46:44.280 --> 02:46:52.739
Heather Shuster: That sounds great. We will look forward to seeing that out to everybody for review. Um, John, you'll get an email from me, too.

1206
02:46:55.030 --> 02:46:56.619
Heather Shuster: Any new business.

1207
02:46:58.840 --> 02:47:01.550
Jon Hart: There's some kind of Jeff reader going away. Party

1208
02:47:01.780 --> 02:47:05.410
Jon Hart: it, Mason. No park like November fifth. I don't know whether you guys

1209
02:47:06.530 --> 02:47:09.010
Jon Hart: been around him much or not, but he's.

1210
02:47:11.520 --> 02:47:20.050
Jon Hart: Is he just retiring and leaving an open seat. John. No, I think it's been uh uh, I can't think of her name, but she won.

1211
02:47:20.210 --> 02:47:22.670
Jon Hart: He may already be in.

1212
02:47:22.790 --> 02:47:29.699
RACHEL BRAGG: She won the prime, the primary. But I still think she so when the general but I don't know if there's any opposition.

1213
02:47:29.780 --> 02:47:33.979
RACHEL BRAGG: What is your name again? Do you remember

1214
02:47:34.330 --> 02:47:37.950
Jon Hart: Michelle? Here's yes, yeah.

1215
02:47:41.410 --> 02:47:44.150
Jon Hart: So she will be the new commissioner for

1216
02:47:44.740 --> 02:47:46.900
Jon Hart: everybody else. Neighborhood.

1217
02:47:49.960 --> 02:47:54.170
Heather Shuster: Um, Rachel, I do see a question from Mr. Sitting in the chat.

1218
02:47:59.530 --> 02:48:01.109
RACHEL BRAGG: I don't have it

1219
02:48:02.280 --> 02:48:12.329
Heather Shuster: so. He's asking why he wasn't given a chance to request a for all, and he states there were quite a few statements made that were not true. Um,

1220
02:48:12.340 --> 02:48:24.850
Heather Shuster: my understanding. The Commission makes a motion. It is the Commission's choice whether to suggest a for all or denial, and can simply deny if that is the motion. Is that correct? That's correct?

1221
02:48:24.870 --> 02:48:35.459
Heather Shuster: Okay. Um. To his statement that items were said that we're not true. I would suggest. He speak with Staff in a follow up conversation.

1222
02:48:35.760 --> 02:48:41.379
RACHEL BRAGG: Yeah, we'd have. We'd be happy to meet about your application. Um, and we can provide feedback. Um!

1223
02:48:42.870 --> 02:48:51.480
Matt Stoddard: There's practically no difference between the two. The only advantages you would go to the top. But if your new construction you wouldn't go to the top anyway. Would you still be at the end of the meeting?

1224
02:48:51.960 --> 02:49:00.619
Heather Shuster: So it could have been that he would move to the top of the new construction section, which typically has very few applications. But

1225
02:49:01.050 --> 02:49:11.960
Matt Stoddard: candidly, I just didn't think about it when I made a motion, and it seemed like there was a lot of back and forth already, and it was unlikely to be something that you would agree to. But I just didn't think about. It

1226
02:49:12.210 --> 02:49:13.899
is the truth, Mr.

1227
02:49:14.720 --> 02:49:17.689
Matt Stoddard: But you'll be, I suppose, at

1228
02:49:17.780 --> 02:49:24.189
Matt Stoddard: probably the top of the new construction agenda, if not right after there's using one to two new construction items. Tops

1229
02:49:27.920 --> 02:49:29.719
Heather Shuster: all right. Um

1230
02:49:30.310 --> 02:49:35.220
Heather Shuster: boring any new business brought up by commission members, I believe we are ready to adjourn.

1231
02:49:36.920 --> 02:49:39.889
Matt Stoddard: Did you all know that there is a rule

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Matt Stoddard: um that if you miss a number of meetings in a row, they're supposed to be removed.

1233
02:49:46.980 --> 02:49:48.519
Heather Shuster: I did not know that

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Matt Stoddard: I don't know that anyone has missed a number in a row. Does that? Does that apply to somebody, even on the commission in the I just mentioned it? Are you planning to miss a bunch in a row, so that we will. Are you trying to mess with our quorum? I just. I just mentioned it because it seems like I I have thought about it before, where I've been like

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Matt Stoddard: I've missed one. I think it's two, I think, if you missed more than two and a row, so on the third one you can be removed. Um! But that would have to be done by the Board of Commissioners.

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leslie spencer: Like amount of meetings you miss within the year's timeframe within a twelve month cycle.

1237
02:50:36.800 --> 02:50:44.960
leslie spencer: It's been a minute since I've read it. So yeah, that's kind of what stuck out to me when I read it the last time three years ago.

1238
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Matt Stoddard: Where is it? I'm trying to find it? Do you know, Rachel,

1239
02:50:48.050 --> 02:51:06.050
Matt Stoddard: i'm pretty sure it's in a row? I only mentioned it, because, like in the summer, people tend to take off here in there, and I've thought about it, because if you're not careful, it could happen, and my memory of the language is like. If you miss it, you shall be removed.

1240
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Matt Stoddard: Maybe i'm wrong. No, Then it's not even a proposal that it just happens.

1241
02:51:17.640 --> 02:51:18.729
Matt Stoddard: Um,

1242
02:51:19.000 --> 02:51:21.230
Matt Stoddard: but I I think it's something like that.

1243
02:51:23.270 --> 02:51:25.230
Jon Hart: I would put that up as a

1244
02:51:26.270 --> 02:51:32.610
Jon Hart: item that should be modified to be may be removed because

1245
02:51:32.730 --> 02:51:45.920
Jon Hart: you could have an applicant claim that it was an invalid hearing, because I mean, I haven't been to a meeting in six months. So

1246
02:51:46.030 --> 02:51:47.070
uh

1247
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RACHEL BRAGG: yeah, i'll, I'll put it on my list of things to read

1248
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leslie spencer: Mhm.

1249
02:51:54.670 --> 02:52:03.300
leslie spencer: A list of things to read. That's what I have. Your is even longer than mine. Yes.

1250
02:52:04.600 --> 02:52:06.800
RACHEL BRAGG: But yeah, Matt, I'll look into that

1251
02:52:13.370 --> 02:52:19.910
RACHEL BRAGG: all right. Anything else, Um. Or are we ready to join motion to adjourn?

1252
02:52:20.130 --> 02:52:21.430
leslie spencer: Second,

1253
02:52:21.510 --> 02:52:23.300
Heather Shuster: Thank you, Leslie.

1254
02:52:23.360 --> 02:52:32.750
Heather Shuster: All in agreement. Say, aye see you next month.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Um. And I just put my email in the chat. If anybody would like to email me directly for any kind of further up.

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RACHEL BRAGG: Thanks,

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RACHEL BRAGG: um, Andrew. I know you just joined us. But um! The meeting is now over. If if you'd like you can, you can get my um address, and and follow up with me.